a couple what is its buttons etc.. Enfield bullet mold? help please

[carpetbagger]

a couple what is it's buttons etc.. Enfield bullet mold? help please

was out a couple of times over the last several weeks in a few old historic areas and found some things that i need help identifying, any help would be appreciated. this button has a pic of an Indian face no back marks, too crusted.

another button top w/h no backing at all pic is a little different.

some sort of gun part or mold?

buckle, brooch, and metal tube?

 

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[CRUSADER]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. help please

The picture with buckle , tarpaulin ring, ....aluminium whatzit

 

[MonkeyBoy]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. help please

What does the back of te button look like? I'm thinking overall button if the back has a "stud" versus a shank..

MonkeyBoy

 

[Old_Okie]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. help please

Item below the buttons is definitely 1/2 of a bullet mold.

All neat finds!

Old_Okie

 

[carpetbagger]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. help please

What does the back of te button look like? I'm thinking overall button if the back has a "stud" versus a shank..

MonkeyBoy

pic #1 and 2 the back has no visable shank it is all to crusted to even tell
pic#3 the button back is completely missing

 

[carpetbagger]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. help please

Item below the buttons is definitely 1/2 of a bullet mold.

All neat finds!

Old_Okie

thanks Okie, that is one large bullet. Any ideas on how to find out how old and what type of bullet it made?
again thanks for the info

Jeff

 

[ivan salis]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. help please

first find the calibar --measure across it width wize -- that will help give you a starting point 69 cal was quite common in civil war. ---Ivan

 

[cosmic]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. help please

Does the tube have small holes going up the side?

 

[d2]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. help please

Looks like half of a bullet mold to me also. And it looks like an enfiled type bullet. If civil war era it should measure in the 50's...d2

 

[Rob66]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. help please

Cool little Indian button..

 

[carpetbagger]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. help please

first find the caliber --measure across it width Wise -- that will help give you a starting point 69 cal was quite common in civil war. ---Ivan

Looks like half of a bullet mold to me also. And it looks like an enfiled type bullet. If civil war era it should measure in the 50's...d2

thanks guys i measured the inside width of the bullet mold and it measures 15cm, and the length fromback to tip is 35cm. I really am not familiar with how or what constitutes a caliper.
so if any one could narrow it down to caliper by these measurements and let me know if it is an enfield type mold that would be great.

thanks,
Jeff

 

[carpetbagger]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. help please

Does the tube have small holes going up the side?

no small holes up the side, it is very thick, calling it a tube on my part was kind of misleading, altough it was tube like at one time.

Jeff

 

[carpetbagger]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. help please

Cool little Indian button..

thanks Rob now if I could just find out what it is I would appreciate it more.

Jeff

 

[coolbeans]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. Enfield bullet mold? help please

metal tube looks like a brass shot gun shell. great finds, cool button!

 

[RKinOI]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. Enfield bullet mold? help please

I dont think thats a button . I've got one and I think someone told me that its an emblem off the side of a handsaw handle.

 

[Thomas007]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. Enfield bullet mold? help please

15 mm is equal to .59 inches which may be a 58 or 59 caliber as sometimes the size is based on the chamber.

If it was 15 cm then that would be almost 6 inches in width so i am assuming ( yes I know!) that the reference was a typo.

The 35 mm length is equal to 1.38 inches

The Enfield rifle had a bore of .577 inches and the ratio of the bullet length to bore is 3 to 1... 35mm to 15 mm so it fits the descriptions of a Enfield.

HH

Sanat

 

[carpetbagger]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. Enfield bullet mold? help please

15 mm is equal to .59 inches which may be a 58 or 59 caliber as sometimes the size is based on the chamber.
If it was 15 cm then that would be almost 6 inches in width so i am assuming ( yes I know!) that the reference was a typo.
The 35 mm length is equal to 1.38 inches
HH
Sanat

Thanks Sanat mm not cm, believe it or not I gadgiated scool .So am I safe to assume that this is an 59 caliber Enfield bullet mold?

 

[MonkeyBoy]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. help please

What does the back of Te button look like? I'm thinking overall button if the back has a "stud" versus a shank..

MonkeyBoy

pic #1 and 2 the back has no visable shank it is all to crusted to even tell
pic#3 the button back is completely missing

It would help if i actually read and comprehended the text huh in a post?? It seems like a overall button to me.. sort of like the train ones.. but it might be a regular button too..

MonkeyBoy

 

[silverswede]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. Enfield bullet mold? help please

Nice finds, Coolbeans, The bullet mold part is interesting. Some of the gun guys on here are good and will probably get you a caliber and date from your measurments, Theres quite a bunch listed on eBay but couldn't find an exact match. heres one from 1884 40-82 caliber thats similar. I have found old empty brass marked that caliber.

 

[ivan salis]

Re: a couple what is it's buttons etc.. Enfield bullet mold? help please

if the mold is say about .58 cal --a civil war era enfield mold would fit the bill nicely as would its general bullet shape shown by the mold--an enfield rifle is listed as 577 cal --mold roughly measured .58 cal --(very close) hot dog seems like a weiner to me. --- Ivan