A blessing and a VERY perplexing problem.

[WHADIFIND]

FINAL RESULT ABOUT CONCRETION:

See last post for link.







Basically, just another clad excursion today. More for exercise and a swing fix then anything else. (yes, still had fun. )

But, I must admit, I got a little frustrated in the middle of the hunt. The weather was ideal when I got there and then it kept trying to ruin the day for me. Just me! I was too stubborn and stuck it out. Here's the overall:


- cover to something.
- aluminum knock out.
- zipper pull?
- toy gun

This next one was the blessing portion. When I got a bit frustrated in the middle I started mouthing. (cursing!) After a little while I calmed back down and apologized to the Lord for my anger. Very next hit?






Who says He's not listening?

- 1956 whole wheat toast.
- Maybe part of a large lantern?

Which brings me to my perplexing problem. It's this next one.




Just a lump of metal, right? That's what I thought but look closer.





Unless my eyes are deceiving me, there is a very tiny coin-like disk stuck to the bottom of this. The thing is not magnetic, the edge looks like it could be a coin. If I'm not mistaken, under magnification, there appears to be one character I can make out on the disk.

My problem? WHADIFIND? LOL And, more to the point, what the heck can I do about it? I have no clue how to proceed.

Speak up if you have any ideas.

Thanks for peeking!

HH!

 

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[WHADIFIND]

To me it definitely is a coin, and probably in poor condition.

I think so too, but would love to ID what coin. Wouldn't you?

 

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[dig kzoo]

I would have to dig for it but I have a few coins (non us) that are 1/2 the size of a dime or so.

 

[goldencoin]

I've never run up against this problem before. If it is a unique coin, I'd hate to mess it up trying to get to it. thanks for the ideas. I have to study this for a bit.

HH!

It's not a rivet like everyone else is saying because it is not magnetic, and non-magnetic rivets will not have concretions like that under usual circumstances. Therefore, the lump might be a chuck of glue or rubber cement. This is why i suggest using an organic solvent (nail polish remover). If you are concerned, then only soak the part of the lump without the coin showing. If it starts to dissolve, then you will should proceed with the rest of the lump. If not, then it may be a mineral deposit or concrete, in which case freezing and quickly unfreezing it may allow the deposit to fall off. If not that, electrolysis is in order. There's lots of help on the cleaning forum for more specifics.

In my opinion, it is a coin stuck in glue or concrete, not a normal oxidized patina you see on most toasted coins (although it might be toasted underneath) I think is might be unique because someone had to go through the trouble of creating that conglomerate, or at the very least, the patina on the visible part looks old.

HH
-Gc

 

[Twinkletoes]

I think so too, but would love to ID what coin. Wouldn't you?

No, I would leave it in the stone. Is the stone porous?

 

[WHADIFIND]

It's not a rivet like everyone else is saying because it is not magnetic, and non-magnetic rivets will not have concretions like that under usual circumstances. Therefore, the lump might be a chuck of glue or rubber cement. This is why i suggest using an organic solvent (nail polish remover). If you are concerned, then only soak the part of the lump without the coin showing. If it starts to dissolve, then you will should proceed with the rest of the lump. If not, then it may be a mineral deposit or concrete, in which case freezing and quickly unfreezing it may allow the deposit to fall off. If not that, electrolysis is in order. There's lots of help on the cleaning forum for more specifics.

In my opinion, it is a coin stuck in glue or concrete, not a normal oxidized patina you see on most toasted coins (although it might be toasted underneath) I think is might be unique because someone had to go through the trouble of creating that conglomerate, or at the very least, the patina on the visible part looks old.

HH
-Gc

I'll probably post this on the what is it forum but here's a few more pics.




Maybe they'll help? I'm thinking the solvent is the way to go if I want to clean it up. But, I'm also thinking that if I could somehow id the disk as a coin and which. I might just leave it as it is, I mean, what could be more banner than finding a coin set in stone? LOL

Thanks!

HH!

 

[dig kzoo]

or a small flat button??

 

[WHADIFIND]

or a small flat button??

That was what I thought to begin with because of the conglomeration. I figured the stem had somehow rusted away and caused the mess. It still could be. I just don't know.

HH!

 

[Fix]

Your clump looks very familiar. I've found two like that myself over the years. They turned out to be a button or something like that. Look at the smaller side of the clump. There's also a round spot?
It would be something similar to a blue jeans top button.
Let us know what it turns out to be.

 

[dig kzoo]

What ever it turns out to be it is a cool find, cant wait to hear what you figure out! HH

 

[Peyton Manning]

i'd tap the concretion with a hammer

 

[Peyton Manning]

maybe use a screwdriver as a chisel

 

[SilverPirate]

Cool find, Im curious to see what it is!

 

[goldencoin]

Ok, now that I see scale in there, it will probably be something interesting. There is still the possibility it is a button. There is absolutely no way to ID without you breaking it out of the conglomerate

HH
-GC

 

[Lakemonster]

if the lump is lead.... then your disc is a gas check.

 

[wheatfinder13]

Keep us posted please!

 

[Iron Patch]

It's not a rivet like everyone else is saying because it is not magnetic, and non-magnetic rivets will not have concretions like that under usual circumstances. Therefore, the lump might be a chuck of glue or rubber cement. This is why i suggest using an organic solvent (nail polish remover). If you are concerned, then only soak the part of the lump without the coin showing. If it starts to dissolve, then you will should proceed with the rest of the lump. If not, then it may be a mineral deposit or concrete, in which case freezing and quickly unfreezing it may allow the deposit to fall off. If not that, electrolysis is in order. There's lots of help on the cleaning forum for more specifics.

In my opinion, it is a coin stuck in glue or concrete, not a normal oxidized patina you see on most toasted coins (although it might be toasted underneath) I think is might be unique because someone had to go through the trouble of creating that conglomerate, or at the very least, the patina on the visible part looks old.




HH
-Gc

So what's the difference between a copper coin and copper rivet as far as this item is concerned? I've dug many misc. brass and copper items fused to iron, and some were made that way, and others just rusted together. Like said above there's no way to know until you remove the crud around it.



PS: These chunks are often a combination of rust, hardened leather, dirt, and the brass or copper item they surround. Nothing new if you hunt enough old sites.

 

[WHADIFIND]

So what's the difference between a copper coin and copper rivet as far as this item is concerned? I've dug many misc. brass and copper items fused to iron, and some were made that way, and others just rusted together. Like said above there's no way to know until you remove the crud around it.



PS: These chunks are often a combination of rust, hardened leather, dirt, and the brass or copper item they surround. Nothing new if you hunt enough old sites.

Pretty much, I'm in agreement with you Iron Patch. I don't know of ANY coin that tiny. It is apparently brass/copper/both. One problem I do have, even if it's iron rust, it would be magnetic too, this isn't. I'm figuring a button/rivet/tack head or some such. I'm going to try to soak it in some distilled water for a while to see what happens. Open to any all suggestions.

Thanks!

HH!

 

[Iron Patch]

Pretty much, I'm in agreement with you Iron Patch. I don't know of ANY coin that tiny. It is apparently brass/copper/both. One problem I do have, even if it's iron rust, it would be magnetic too, this isn't. I'm figuring a button/rivet/tack head or some such. I'm going to try to soak it in some distilled water for a while to see what happens. Open to any all suggestions.

Thanks!

HH!

What might be happening is there's only a small amount of copper or brass and the round part under the crud is iron.

 

[matt092079]

Looks like a lot of the rivets I found today.

 

[Tarponhuntr]

Great find ! And and awesome lesson to boot !
As far as your encrusted coin goes , I don't think it would hurt anything to give it a whirl in some boiling water with a bit of dish soap.
May not do it , but the combination of the soap and boiling action along with the heat may be just the thing to get the encrustacion to release.

Great , great find , and you're a winner no matter how it turns out !