1800 LC "UNBELIEVEABLE!"----Looking for Sheldon Variety

[hogge]

1800 LC "UNBELIEVEABLE!"----Looking for Sheldon Variety

My sister Kim,,(The Vermonster), found this coin last week. Without a doubt, THE best LC we have ever found. Exhibits VF details. I gave it the peroxide bath only 1 time, and soaked it in distilled water. I haven't coated it with olive oil or vaseline yet, as I really do not think it needs it. Well struck on a nice planchet with no die breaks. Many of these were struck on "crappy" planchets. I am in the process of purchasing a used Breen book so I can ID coins myself. CoinFacts does not list pictures of ALL the Sheldon varieties of the Normal 1800 date. Was hoping Don may be able to help. (Please tell me it's an NC-3 or 4) UNBELIEVEABLE how this came out, both with cleaning and out of the ground! Enjoy..........Hogge

 

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[CRUSADER]

Re: 1800 LC "UNBELIEVEABLE!"----Looking for Sheldon Variety

That is nice, don't oil it.

 

[Possumguts]

Re: 1800 LC "UNBELIEVEABLE!"----Looking for Sheldon Variety

Ditto, beautiful coin, but DON'T oil it!!!

 

[Don in SJ]

Re: 1800 LC "UNBELIEVEABLE!"----Looking for Sheldon Variety

Appears to be a Sheldon 212 variety. Obverse: LI are very close, E leans right, R is high, and the left base of Y is broken. Hair above 1 is weaker than usual but does not quite qualify as a bald spot. REF: Breen's Encyclopedia

Reverse: Spike points t the right from the inner curve of C (in CENTS) Berry right of N (in ONE) is practically stemless. REF: Breen's Encyclopedia.


http://www.largecents.net/collection/coinpics/s212.jpg (for an example)

Don

 

[Deepdiger60]

Re: 1800 LC "UNBELIEVEABLE!"----Looking for Sheldon Variety

http://www.coinfacts.com/large_cent...nts/1800_large_cents/1800_large_cent_s199.htm
Its listed nice find

 

[Don in SJ]

Re: 1800 LC "UNBELIEVEABLE!"----Looking for Sheldon Variety

http://www.coinfacts.com/large_cent...nts/1800_large_cents/1800_large_cent_s199.htm
Its listed nice find

S199 not a match, fraction bar too short

 

[Dman]

Re: 1800 LC "UNBELIEVEABLE!"----Looking for Sheldon Variety

Awesome coin.
Congrats
Dman

 

[hogge]

Re: 1800 LC "UNBELIEVEABLE!"----Looking for Sheldon Variety

Appears to be a Sheldon 212 variety. Obverse: LI are very close, E leans right, R is high, and the left base of Y is broken. Hair above 1 is weaker than usual but does not quite qualify as a bald spot. REF: Breen's Encyclopedia

Reverse: Spike points t the right from the inner curve of C (in CENTS) Berry right of N (in ONE) is practically stemless. REF: Breen's Encyclopedia.

Not 100% sure, but fairly certain it matches.

http://www.largecents.net/collection/coinpics/s212.jpg (for an example)

Don

EXCELLENT ID Don! Looks like an exact match. Her coin DOES have the small metal "dot" in the mid-curve of the "C" in CENTS also. In the Breen example it appears as a slash, but it is actually a small dot of "extra" metal, as hers is not as worn. There is no bald spot as there are hairlines there under magnification. Would that be the only difference between the 212 and NC-3? Todd

 

[Don in SJ]

Re: 1800 LC "UNBELIEVEABLE!"----Looking for Sheldon Variety

Appears to be a Sheldon 212 variety. Obverse: LI are very close, E leans right, R is high, and the left base of Y is broken. Hair above 1 is weaker than usual but does not quite qualify as a bald spot. REF: Breen's Encyclopedia

Reverse: Spike points t the right from the inner curve of C (in CENTS) Berry right of N (in ONE) is practically stemless. REF: Breen's Encyclopedia.

Not 100% sure, but fairly certain it matches.

http://www.largecents.net/collection/coinpics/s212.jpg (for an example)

Don

EXCELLENT ID Don! Looks like an exact match. Her coin DOES have the small metal "dot" in the mid-curve of the "C" in CENTS also. In the Breen example it appears as a slash, but it is actually a small dot of "extra" metal, as hers is not as worn. There is no bald spot as there are hairlines there under magnification. Would that be the only difference between the 212 and NC-3? Todd

Without looking closey, just like it is not a S-199 it is also not a NC-3 because I see the fraction bar is too short to be either of them.

 

[SoreKneesDayton]

Re: 1800 LC "UNBELIEVEABLE!"----Looking for Sheldon Variety

Whatever it is, it is in great shape and you are lucky to have uncoverd it-Congrates!!

SKD

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: 1800 LC "UNBELIEVEABLE!"----Looking for Sheldon Variety

Ditto, beautiful coin, but DON'T oil it!!!

Why? A short soak in oil will probably remove the rest of the corrosion. (safest way to do it)

Pretty awesome condition!

 

[RiverRat3]

Re: 1800 LC "UNBELIEVEABLE!"----Looking for Sheldon Variety

Very nice find, dont see to many in that condition.

 

[hogge]

Re: 1800 LC "UNBELIEVEABLE!"----Looking for Sheldon Variety

Ditto, beautiful coin, but DON'T oil it!!!

Why? A short soak in oil will probably remove the rest of the corrosion. (safest way to do it)

Pretty awesome condition!

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking....and will do!

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: 1800 LC "UNBELIEVEABLE!"----Looking for Sheldon Variety

Ditto, beautiful coin, but DON'T oil it!!!

Why? A short soak in oil will probably remove the rest of the corrosion. (safest way to do it)

Pretty awesome condition!

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking....and will do!

The only negative thing oil can do would make it a little darker, but I think the soak will be short enough for that not to be a factor. Once out, a little soap and water and once it has time to dry again it should be crazy good! Oil isn't a heck of a lot different than what a coin conditioner does, just as a small amout of acid to help clean if left to soak.

 

[hogge]

Re: 1800 LC "UNBELIEVEABLE!"----Looking for Sheldon Variety

Ditto, beautiful coin, but DON'T oil it!!!

Why? A short soak in oil will probably remove the rest of the corrosion. (safest way to do it)

Pretty awesome condition!

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking....and will do!

The only negative thing oil can do would make it a little darker, but I think the soak will be short enough for that not to be a factor. Once out, a little soap and water and once it has time to dry again it should be crazy good! Oil isn't a heck of a lot different than what a coin conditioner does, just as a small amout of acid to help clean if left to soak.

It will also enhance the detail so you can see all of the hairlines. Quite a difference in the condition from when she handed it to me yesterday. The denticles ,and overall detail, are quite impressive.

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: 1800 LC "UNBELIEVEABLE!"----Looking for Sheldon Variety

Ditto, beautiful coin, but DON'T oil it!!!

Why? A short soak in oil will probably remove the rest of the corrosion. (safest way to do it)

Pretty awesome condition!

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking....and will do!

The only negative thing oil can do would make it a little darker, but I think the soak will be short enough for that not to be a factor. Once out, a little soap and water and once it has time to dry again it should be crazy good! Oil isn't a heck of a lot different than what a coin conditioner does, just as a small amout of acid to help clean if left to soak.

It will also enhance the detail so you can see all of the hairlines. Quite a difference in the condition from when she handed it to me yesterday. The denticles ,and overall detail, are quite impressive.

Yeah the surface is very nice for a dug coin. It certainly won't be hard to shoot like the reverse S was after the oil. Digital cameras don't like pitting!

 

[tigerbeetle]

Re: 1800 LC "UNBELIEVEABLE!"----Looking for Sheldon Variety

With many copper coins, it's all in the luck of the drop.

Your sister's amazing find seemingly dropped face down, so to speak. When a coin lies obverse down, the corrosive chemicals that filter down from above attack the reverse. While it's best not have any filter down effects, tis far far better to have the backside take the beating.

Kim’s coin seems minimally corroded on both sides. I've seen both sides of buried coppers do amazingly well when lost on dirt roadways here in Jersey. Seems a coin can get driven underground (hoof or buggy-wheel action) then tightly pressed in place. The pressurized soil above it fends off corrosive trickled. At any new site, I always work the dirt roadway first and foremost.

By the by, the condition of that coin might be because of an electrolytic relationship with minerals or other metal objects in the soil. If it's mineralization helping the coin cause, hit that area hard. Other coins might have fared as well. If it was saved because of an electrolytic relationship with a metal object, say a nearby nail or such, another coin only a few feet away might be corroded to hell and back.

Kim’s coin is worth a pretty penny, per recent sales of similar coins on eBay.

 

[dwayne sueno]

Re: 1800 LC "UNBELIEVEABLE!"----Looking for Sheldon Variety

Hogge,

I think you were saying recently on one of my threads that the coppers didn't hold up well in the soil in your neck of the woods.
Glad to see that this is not always the case. Congrats to the Vermonster, and may you both pull a few more out that look as good as this beauty.
Sweet!

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: 1800 LC "UNBELIEVEABLE!"----Looking for Sheldon Variety

Hogge,

I think you were saying recently on one of my threads that the coppers didn't hold up well in the soil in your neck of the woods.
Glad to see that this is not always the case. Congrats to the Vermonster, and may you both pull a few more out that look as good as this beauty.
Sweet!

I think if you hunt woods even if most are bad there's much better chance of that condition than fields. Heck I know there is because I have never found one that good!

 

[Deepdiger60]

Re: 1800 LC "UNBELIEVEABLE!"----Looking for Sheldon Variety

Hogge,

I think you were saying recently on one of my threads that the coppers didn't hold up well in the soil in your neck of the woods.
Glad to see that this is not always the case. Congrats to the Vermonster, and may you both pull a few more out that look as good as this beauty.
Sweet!

I think if you hunt woods even if most are bad there's much better chance of that condition than fields. Heck I know there is because I have never found one that good!

All my finds from woods are in much better condition then the farm fields even if the fields have not been worked for many years the woods dark soft soil is kind to copper