1715 ring?

[Bigcypresshunter]

This 23K monogramed gold ring is not mine but I am curious about it. It was found near Vero Beach at a known 1715 shipwreck location after hurricane Francis. I am curious because I also found some unidentified items near Vero after those infamous 2004 hurricanes, Francis and Jeanne..

Any thoughts as to dating this ring? I have my own idea but I want to hear what others think. Thanks.




It was sold on eBay. http://cgi.ebay.com/Not-Coin-1715-S...80799006?pt=US_Fine_Rings&hash=item20b54ee11e

It was also posted here. http://treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2010-11-27T08:10:00-08:00&max-results=7

Here is the eBay sale description...

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

Just noticed the post. From dealing in jewelry for 30+ years. Your ring appears to be 1950+ style signet ring. Normally worn on small finger or pinkie ring.. If I am not mistaken, it also appears to have been resized from the photo of the shank.
But I realize my opinion is one of many..
DG

Is it not unusual to be unmarked 20-23K?

I broke my wedding ring at work three times. After the second fix, the karat marking was long gone. There is no markings on the inside at all now and mine was purchased in 1998.

I'm not talking about the ring you posted at all since I know nothing about jewelry. I'm just trying to throw out a possibility as to why there is no marking, especially if the whole shank had to be replaced.

OK thanks but isnt a 23K ring unusual?

Ill post my conclusion soon.

 

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[Tony in SC]

I have detected the Treasure Coast for several years. I have found cobs but never any jewelry, but I have seen Spanish rings, and other jewelry made from Inca gold found. They are the color of butter and are very soft. The old rings look almost like costume jewelry made out of gold. ( Jewelry was a way for an individual to smuggle gold back to Spain). Most assay between 20 and 23 K. The engraving on this ring is turn of the century or newer. It is still a super cool find period!!! Tony

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Most assay between 20 and 23 K.

I know. How common is 20-23K with a modern ring?

Do you think the seller is lying?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I think this thread has gone on long enough. I googled the history of monograms and found this. http://ezinearticles.com/?History-of-Monograms&id=2245857

Monograms of the 19th century had the three initials side by side with no overlap. The first and last name initials were a smaller font size than the middle initial. The overlap and initial size rules changed in more contemporary times to reflect a large last name initial and overlapping that created a symbol. The last name initial is also commonly found between the first and middle name initials.

CONCLUSION: It appears to be a fairly modern monogramed signet ring for the pinky finger. Not 1715 fleet. The initials are TRC engraved in Old English.

Thanks for all the thoughts. . The color in the pics appear off but the seller had it tested and shows the results. Nobody was able to explain the 23K but all considering Im going to call it 1850-1950, most likely 20th century, not 1715.

 

[dg39]

Right you are.. It also was probably custom made from scrap gold, which would explain its content. I have several rings that have been made that way.
DG

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

It also was probably custom made from scrap gold, which would explain its content. I have several rings that have been made that way.
DG

Can you explain to me how you melt down 12K, 14K, and 18K gold scrap and end up with 23K? Just asking.

 

[dg39]

When you throw scrap in the melting pot.. ?=? I just do not know enough about the melting and mixing of metal.
DG