1600s Portugese Hammered Silver Cruzado

[steelheadwill]

1600s Portugese Hammered Silver 'Cruzado'

Hi all,
Dug a few ships spikes, old buttons, hardware, functional reel, and a coin.
can't find a positive ID,
this one is about 38mm and 18 grams,
Crown over shield, splayed end cross.

Thanks to Iron Patch, SilverSearcher, and everyone else who contributed
we now know it's an undated 400 Reis Cruzado from the
reign King John IV of Portugal 1640-1656.
Thanks for looking and happy hunting All!

 

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[BobinSouthVA]

Re: 16th C French Hammered Silver ?

very cool finds, can't wait to hear what it is.

 

[steelheadwill]

Re: 16th C French Hammered Silver ?

very cool finds, can't wait to hear what it is.

Thanks Bob
When I first saw the cross, figured it was an 8 Reale Cob, then noticed the splayed ends, not spanish
these smaller coins are so similar, I don't know why I can't locate any info on this largie... and i HAVE looked
HH All!

 

[fever87]

Re: 16th C French Hammered Silver ?

I would say its French due to the fleur de lis. Outstanding!

 

[Bill D. (VA)]

Re: 16th C French Hammered Silver ?

Super find!! I just found your coin on a website. Its French from the reign of Henry III (1575-89). Scroll down to very near the bottom.

http://home.eckerd.edu/~oberhot/froy.htm

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: 16th C French Hammered Silver ?

Looks like a Portugal Reis, or at least something relatively old and Portuguese.

 

[steelheadwill]

Re: 16th C French Hammered Silver ?

Super find!! I just found your coin on a website. Its French from the reign of Henry III (1575-89). Scroll down to very near the bottom.

http://home.eckerd.edu/~oberhot/froy.htm

Thanks Bill,
Similar, but same weight & size differences, Appreciate your looking!

 

[steelheadwill]

Re: 16th C French Hammered Silver ?

Once again IP,
Found a gold Reis with the design and the following info:
"The cross and crowned arms design is prevalent on Portugese coinage of the period. This page applies to gold coins. But there were many silver coins with very similar design."
Gotta keep looking for the match, 38mmX18GR,
Thanks all!

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: 16th C French Hammered Silver ?

Once again IP,
Found a gold Reis with the design and the following info:
"The cross and crowned arms design is prevalent on Portugese coinage of the period. This page applies to gold coins. But there were many silver coins with very similar design."
Gotta keep looking for the match, 38mmX18GR,
Thanks all!

What is throwing me off from making a match is the shield on your coin... in the top right of the shield yours seems to have a design that looks like the shape of a ducks head. Do you think that's part of the coin, or just do to the condition? The other thing is the crown on your coin seems more like what I have seen on the 18th and 19th century coins and not the real early stuff. (at least the one I just seen) Yes they used that cross for a long time and on many coins.

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: 16th C French Hammered Silver ?

BTW... 18 grams seems very under weight for a 38mm silver coin so you probably have a counterfeit. Unless you meant to write 28 grams?

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: 16th C French Hammered Silver ?

Was just looking at a few, and they seem to be lighter than expected, so that's good! I also can't imagine why the crowned arms would change that much, and it really wouldn't make sense, so what doesn't match is probably just a condition issue.

So I'd say there's a good chance you have a real 1700s or 1800s silver, something like a 400 reis. I'm looking at one right now which is 35mm, and 14.6 grams so that jives with your diameter and weight.

I have things to do but will check back in to see what you come up with.

 

[worldtalker]

Re: 16th C French Hammered Silver ?

Herbie,Let's see,that is,uh,that is OLD!!!!!!!!!!!! Dress Warm!!! God Bless Chris

 

[Woodland Detectors]

Re: 16th C French Hammered Silver ?

No Way! That is a great American find Herbie

 

[looking4largecent]

Re: 16th C French Hammered Silver ?

Great Finds.

 

[CMDiamonddawg]

Re: 16th C French Hammered Silver ?

Hi Herbie , Fascinating .. I like to call em' , Early Explorer finds ! like that hammered Bill D. in Va just found. There have been at least two or more early 18 th century , milled Portugese gold coin finds on the Cape May beach this past Fall . . Dredging has spit them out onto the beach , a few were still in the pipe . The Earliest explorer coin that would be relative to this area of Jersey would be Dutch , Henry Hudson 's Half Moon , in 1610 . Been on recent hunts of old whaling areas ... No luck . I like to find anything that possibly has a connection to the first explorations and I hope your coin has that early settlement history connection and rare as well 8) dawg

 

[Steve in PA]

Re: 16th C French Hammered Silver ?

Wow Herbie, that is something we don't see very often! I will let the experts ID it and will follow your post until someone hits the nail on the head

 

[Westfront]

Re: 16th C French Hammered Silver ?

That is a nice chunk of silver! Congrats!

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: 16th C French Hammered Silver ?



Nice find It looks like a coin of Manuel I 1495-1521 (Portugal) if Silver it could be a"Indio" - a silver coin minted in 1499.

SS

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: 16th C French Hammered Silver ?

I'm not good with Foriegn, but another possibility is a Jetton. Looks like a few I have seen

 

[Nutriasub]

Re: 16th C French Hammered Silver ?

I'm just waiting for it to be id, but it looks that after some electrolysis it's gonna look amazing

Great save!

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