Bahamas List

[theGOLD]

Hey anybody have any good comprehensive lists of Bahamas shipwrecks? There was a really interesting thread in here about West coast Florida treasures. Fascinating. Im trying to compile a list of Shipwrecks in the Bahamas. I have quite a few interesting books on the subject, but I wonder what a combined list from everyone here would look like.

-GOLD

 

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[theGOLD]

Okay Im going to start the list then... And add some more in a little while. BUMP!

THE BAHAMAS

16th Century

Santiago (1550's)
500,000 gold coins
250,000 silver bars
250,000 gems

17th Century

Espiritu el Valle (early 1600's)
750,000 silver bars

Santo Domingo (early 1600's)
750,000 silver bars

La Primavera (1640)
300,000 gold
4 million silver
250,000 gems
gold & silver artifacts

Lucayan Silver Wreck (mid-1600's)
100,000 gold
500,000 silver

Nuestra Senora de la Concepcion (1641)
16,000 gold
30 million silver
ming dynasty porcelain

Nuestra Senora de la Maravilla (1656)
500,000 gold
40 million silver
100 carat emerald
43 small emeralds
100 carat amethyst
ming dynasty porcelain

Jufron Getrud (1694)
60,000 silver



18th Century



San Juan Evangelista (1714)
150,000 gold
2 million silver
200 gems
50 feet of gold money chain

Nuestra Senora de la Justicia (mid-1700's)
150,000 gold
2 million silver
200 gems
50 feet of gold money chain

 

[ivan salis]

psst look at bob marx's book 's -- from 1994 ,1983 and 1971 for starters to add to your hunting list -- and save yourself many years of research .( why try to reinvent the wheel?) use his info to shorten your hunts.

just in the 1983 --shipwrecks in the americas (marx) -- page 314 to 342 --marx list 269 wrecks --from 1500 to 1825 time frame

some are "spanish treasure fleet vessels "-- while others are mere working trade vessels.

 

[Diver Down]

I'd get a hold of Galleon Hunter, his book list 577 entries for the Bahamas (more than 1,000 individual wrecks). I know he let my buddy Brad use his research on the D.R. for a project. Either send him a message via the forum or mad4wrecks probably has his contact information.

Bill

 

[mad4wrecks]

Just wait for the book by archaeologist Robert Westrick. It should be out soon. This comprehensive listing of shipwrecks will blow any current publication out of the water.

Hopefully it will be published within 3-6 months.

Tom

 

[sphillips]

Tom,

When will the book be available?

Steve

 

[ping]

Saw the word 'Santiago' there.

Reminder that there was a fake wreck called the "Santiago El Grande" that came up on this forum several times. There is no such wreck, should you encounter it.

Warm Regards
Ping

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Have you seen Tony Jagger's A Shipwreck Guide to the Bahamas, Turks and Caicos 1500 to 1990 Vol. 1 [for Wreckdivers and Treasure Hunters] (Sarasota, Florida: 1994)? It's a 3-ring binder with wreck lists, wreck photos, charts, etc. Apparently 1,000 copies of the first edition were printed. I've never seen any more volumes or any other editions.

Folks here know far more about Bahamas wrecks than I do. I am curious if others have an opinion about the accuracy of this information.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

 

[Lawrencio]

New to this exciting site. You guys are very impressive. I can already feel my savings disappearing. I am a complete newbie (the nerve of me to be asking anything of you guys. But, they say the worst question is the one you failed to ask.) Can anyone refer me to a good resource for shipwrecks in the Gulf of Mexico, and particularly on the US side of the Gulf?? Also, is there a reference book that explains the legalities governing salvage rights for these types of old vessels? In essence, the issue is whether salvage rights when diluted by government intrusion continues to exceed the recovery investment. I apologize for the elementary nature of my inquiry, since this question surely has been asked and answered many times by such an active and adventurous group of individuals as yourselves. Thank you for allowing me onto this site, and for the opportunity to posture this inquiry.
Lawrencio

 

[Salvor6]

Hello Lawrencio and welcome to Treasure net. You're right, there is a wealth of information on this web site. Just scroll down the old posts (like you did with this one) and you can find answers. Unfortunately your state (Texas) has the most restrictive laws regarding historic shipwrecks than any other state in the world. The Texas Historical Comission owns ALL the historic shipwrecks in Texas waters and absolutely no treasure hunting is allowed. The known wrecks like the 1554 fleet off Padre Island are closely watched and there is no diving allowed.
The THC does not have the funds to conduct a through salvage but they would rather let the treasure and artifacts rot then allow commercial treasure hunters to recover them.

 

[Galleon Hunter]

Bahamas List
(Currently editing a list of Bahamas shipwreck for Michael Pateman...Sorry this is incomplete got some hurricane prep work to tak care of, I'll finish it in a few days)

For right now, here are shipwrecks I have information on from 1500-1764 and 1825-1841. My complete list goes from 1500-1900.

1500	Two unidentified Spanish caravels
1501	Spanish caravel Niña
Sometime before 1525	The Molasses Reef Wreck
Sometime before 1525	The Highborn Cay Wreck
1528	Spanish merchant nao Santa María de la Concepción
1530	Spanish nao San Bartolomé
Sometime around 1530	The “Tumbaga Wreck”
1548	Spanish merchant nao Los Tres Reyes Magos
1552	Portuguese galleon San Antón do Brasil, alias El Dorado
1554	Two unidentified ships
1555	Spanish merchant nao Santa María del Commo
1555	Spanish merchant nao Santa María del Camino
1559	Spanish galleon Santa María de los Remedios
1563	The Capitana of the Nueva España Flota the galleon La Concepción
1564	Spanish galleon Santa Clara
Circa 1564	The "St. John Wreck"
1567	Unidentified Spanish urca
1567	Unidentified Spanish merchant nao
Sometime after 1575	The “Bronze Cannon” wreck
1582	Spanish merchant nao La Salvadora
1583	Spanish galleon Nuestra Señora de la Concepción
1586	Spanish galleon San Juan
1586	Two Spanish naos, the Nuestra Señora de la Concepción and the San Francisco
1588	Spanish merchant nao Santa Ana
1589	The Almiranta of the Nueva España Flota
1589	Spanish nao Nuestra Señora del Rosario
1589	Spanish nao Espiritu Santo
1589	Two Spanish naos of the Nueva España Flota, the Santa Catalina and the Jesús María
1595	An unidentified Spanish ship
Sometime before 1598	An unidentified Spanish merchant nao
1599	An unidentified Spanish merchant nao
1599	Spanish nao Santa Rosa
1602	An unidentified Spanish nao
1605	Spanish merchant nao Luceno
1606	An unidentified Spanish nao
1606	An unidentified Spanish navío
1606	Spanish merchant nao Trinidad
1618	An unidentified navío or aviso
1623	Spanish ship Santisimo Trinidad
1623	Spanish ship El Espiritu Santo
1623	The Almiranta of the Nueva España Flota
1624	Spanish navío Nuestra Señora de los Remedios
1628	Spanish galleon Santiago-Santa Ana
1628	Spanish galleon Santa Gertrudes
Circa. 1630	The Lucayan Treasure Find
1630	Two unidentified Spanish navíos
1636	Spanish galleon Espiritu Santa El Mayor
1644	Three unidentified English privateers
1648	English vessel William
1648	An unidentified English vessel
Sometime after 1652	A 72-pound silver ingot with markings of the royal mint of Santa Fé de Bogotá dated 1652
1656	Spanish galleon Nuestra Señora de la Maravillas
1657	Spanish salvage vessel Madama do Brazil
1657	Spanish salvage vessel Nuestra Señora de Rosario
1660	Spanish galleon San Pedro
Sometime around 1660	An unidentified English ship
1664	Spanish merchant nao Nuestra Señora de la Concepción y San Ignacio de Loyola
1668	Spanish merchant nao San Pedro
1668	An unidentified Spanish galleon
1669	Spanish galleon Nuestra Señora de Buena Esperanzo (alias La Genovesa)
1669	English frigate Port Royal
1669	Dutch ship Genovese
1676	English ship Unicorn
1678	Dutch ship Genovese
Sometime before 1687	Copper Wreck
Sometime before 1687	Plate Wreck
Sometime before 1687	Genovees Wreck
Sometime before 1688	Sir Henry Morgan's buried treasure
1690	Dutch fluyt Zuider Zee
1691	Spanish galleon San Rafael
1693	An unidentified Spanish ship
1694	Dutch merchantman Jufron Gertrud
1694	Spanish galleon Santa Cruz
1698	An unidentified Spanish merchant nao
1700	Spanish galleon Santa María Magdalena
1702	An unidentified American brigantine
1704	An unidentified French merchantman
1705	English packet boat Barbadoes
1712	British ship St. Johns
1713	French merchantman Count de Paix
1714	Spanish galleon San Juan Evangelista
1714	The “Walker’s Cay Wreck.”
1715	An unidentified Spanish warship
1716	English galley Whydah
1717	Spanish merchant nao El Capitan
1718	English merchantmen Mary Galley
1718	Dutch ship Younge Abraham
1718	An unidentified Dutch ship
1718	Bermuda sloop William & Mary
1718	Bermuda sloop Diamond
1718	English merchantman Betty
1718	Bermuda sloop Samuel
1718	English merchantman Fortune
1718	English sloop Richard & John
1718	An unidentified French ship
1718	An unidentified French ship
1718	American sloop Drake
1718	American sloop Ulster
1718	American sloop Eagle
1718	American sloop Lancaster
1718	American sloop Dove
1718	American brigantine Endeavor
1718	An unidentified privateer
1719	Spanish merchant nao San Pedro
1719	Spanish merchant nao Santa Elena
1720	Spanish man-of-war San Luis
1720	Spanish frigate San Andrés
1720	American sloop Philadelphia
1724	Englsih sloop Hunter
1731	English merchantman Bridget & Kitty
1740 or 1742	Spanish man-of-war Andalucia
1741	Spanish galleon Nuestra Señora del Buen Viaje
1741	British sloop-of-war H.M.S. Wolfe
1744	An unidentified Spanish merchant ship
1744	British sloop-of-war H.M.S. Swallow
1745	British man-of-war H.M.S. Orford
1750	English merchantman Duke of Cumberland,
1751	English merchantman Katherine
1751	English merchantman Duncanon
1751	English merchantman Jane
1751	English ship Warwick
1752	English merchantman Lord Duplin
1754	French merchantman Anna Maria
1755	A ship of unknown nationality, John & Rebecca
1758	Spanish ship Caesar
1758	A ship of unknown nationality, St. Francis
1760	British frigate H.M.S. Mermaid
1760	A ship of unknown registry, Prince Ferdinand
1761	English merchantman Eagle Gally
1762	English merchantman Gambia
1763	English ship Peter Beckford
1764	French ship Le Bernard

 

[Galleon Hunter]

Bahamas List 1825-1841

1825	American ship North America
1825	Spanish brigantine Orestes
1825	British mail boat Havana Packet
1825	American merchantman Sally
1825	American ship Strong
1825	English merchantman Woodstock
1825	Spanish ship San Francisco de Paula (alias Orionon),
1825	American merchantman Betsey
1825	English ship Doris
1828	British schooner H.M.S. Union
1828	British survey brig H.M.S. Kangaroo
1830	British warship H.M.S. Thunder
1834	British schooner H.M.S. Nimble
Sometime before 1835	Pilot vessel Rechab
1835	British survey schooner H.M.S. Jackdaw
1836	Portuguese slave ship Creole
1837	Portuguese slave ship San Antonio
1837	Portuguese slave ship Esperanza
1840	American merchantman Harriet
1840	British brig-sloop H.M.S. Spey
1841	American merchantman Alpheus
1841	Spanish slave ship Segunda Rosario
1841	American ship Hoogly
1841	American ship Teazer
1841	Spanish brigantine Trouvadore
1841	American ship Cuba
1841	American ship Rinaldo
1841	American merchantman Pantaloon
1841	American ship Leo
1841	American ship Aurora Borealis
1841	American merchantman Maunee
1841	American merchantman E. Pluribus Unum
1841	American ship Undine
1841	American ship Corinthian
1841	American merchantman Globe
1841	American ship George
1841	American ship Charlotte Lasserre
1841	American ship Glide
1841	American ship William
1841	American ship Henry Delafield

 

[Galleon Hunter]

Of course this is just a basic list. I have more info on many of these vessels including tonnage, armament, captain names, sailing from where to where, cargo, how lost, where lost etc.

 

[stevemc]

I've got one for your list that is about 1810ish, dated aprox by lead sheathing, iron pig ballast, English broadheads on every bronze part and nail. PM me and I will get back to you.

 

[jeff k]

Just wait for the book by archaeologist Robert Westrick. It should be out soon. This comprehensive listing of shipwrecks will blow any current publication out of the water.

Hopefully it will be published within 3-6 months.

Tom

Tom... Did Robert Westrick ever publish his book?

 

[Salvor6]

No, he is still looking for a publisher.

 

[aquanut]

Robert you need to talk to signumops.

 

[Galleon Hunter]

John; thanks for the advice. I have discussed the book with signumops and he gave me some great advice. Also been communicating with Dave Crooks (www.sunkentreasurebooks.com)
who knows a lot about the pros and cons of various publishing routes. The sheer size of the information involved means that it will have to be produced in multiple volumes. Actually having the printing done in China might be a viable option. There are lots questions to ask when publishing a book of this magnitude. Traditional publisher vs. the self-publishing route, color photos vs. black and white photographs (of course color photos are going to increase the cost of the book) how many volumes to go with since my book is so many pages it will have to be published in several volumes, just how many I am not sure yet. (probably 4-5), hardback vs. soft bound, having it printed in China vs. having it printed in the good ole U.S.A. All of these factors each have pros and cons. So even right now I am not 100% certain of the cost of the book. I need to keep the cost low enough so that people will want to buy it.

Writing the book turned out to be the easy part. I have spent the last year getting permission to publish photographs from various museums, etc. Lots of good never before published photos and site plans. People like Burt Webber, Bob Marx, Gordon Watts, Richard Lawrence, Bob Burgess, Avery Munson, Eugene Lyon, Art Hartman, Chris James, Teddy Tucker, Ellsworth Boyd, Jack Haskins, Dr. Roger Smith, Gary Kozak, Joyce Hayward, Cris Kohl, Dr. Ron Molinari, Allan Saltus, John Broadwater, Lou Ullian, Steve Singer, Dave Crooks, Ernie Richards, Brad Dalton, Darren Talley, Dan Berg, Michael Barnette, Jim Miller, David Moore, Jason Nowell, Tommy Gore, Bob Weller, Bill Seliger Jr., Mo Molinar and a host of other have been gracious enough to provide photos, shipwreck information, advice, etc.

There are 5 manuscript copies in existence I sent out to reviewers. The most promising news is I have hired an literary agent and am making great strides now. It is still my goal to have this out by the Christmas or shortly thereafter.

 

[Trembull]

Sign me up for one

 

[Denniss]

Have you seen Tony Jagger's A Shipwreck Guide to the Bahamas, Turks and Caicos 1500 to 1990 Vol. 1 [for Wreckdivers and Treasure Hunters] (Sarasota, Florida: 1994)? It's a 3-ring binder with wreck lists, wreck photos, charts, etc. Apparently 1,000 copies of the first edition were printed. I've never seen any more volumes or any other editions.

Folks here know far more about Bahamas wrecks than I do. I am curious if others have an opinion about the accuracy of this information.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

It's kind of strange, the books are numbered and signed like art prints. Mine is 325 of 1000