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Seems to me that treasure-minder aka Roger Snow(?) has an aweful LOT to be aggrevated about. When the forum moderators delete his posts is like adding insult to injury, from my perspective. His being a descendant of Doc Noss(this is what I am assuming as factual), it also seems to me he should be shown an extra modicum of respect by all members here. Everyone OUTSIDE of this forum has been pissing on this man's leg and telling him it is raining, most of his life. His life has been a nightmare, I am sure. The moderators should be ashamed for doing what they did. They should have gone the extra mile with this man, at the very least asking him to accept their apologies for the wrongs they have done to him here. I don't see him flaming anyone. But, my experience has been that some people try to provoke others that are very tightly wrapped, as Roger is, JUST FOR SICK REASONS.And, they do it in such as a way as not to get noticed by the moderators.I'm NOT stating that is what has happenned here, but I have seen it on many other forums.They just kinds gently touch maybe two or three "buttons", then sit back and wait.Kinda like gentle-baiting. But, I personally am very supportive and sympathetic of his plight. People should take his long hard battles into consideration, and try to understand.
I totally agree with you morbiusandneo
I would agree also. But I dont think Roger is a descendant of Doc Noss.
I do believe he has a lot to offer those of us who want to continue his legacy, and he may have a short time to do so. That should be considered also, his time is limited.
He is trying to get his story out and the info out while he can. A site like this one should do everything possible to welcome his input.
I think he is baited into "going off" and then he gets banned.
Well anyway, thats my 2 cents.
wr
I think Rog's self control is underestimated. There's a lot of theatre in the mix. Best lies have truth in them. Straightline truth or not, I miss his take on things. Wish others would jump on him a bit less, and that he could stay on the right side of the line more, even if he's been wronged (much of which is old history and has nothing to do with recent posts). Maybe he'd stop posting anyways if there was no push back to play to, so this pattern may be all well ever get. Oh well.
Not all, but most posts in the "Treasure Legends" threads are for entertainment - repeating or creating campfire tales. If you're looking for truth, you're in the wrong place. Critical thinkers frequently get discouraged here.
OK, then where to look for something beyond the static documents everyone already has access to?
The material "everyone already has access to" has already been sliced and diced by the hoards for generations, presumably to no avail. You could say that there must be another way of looking at it that will provide the answer you're looking for, I guess, but to me it's clear that the well-known material lacks the full truth and is likely worthless (other than the entertainment value it has).
Where else to look? Either you are fortunate and somehow obtain genuine, telling proprietary information from some hitherto unknown source, or you get real creative and search for obscure information that nobody else has turned up, at least something that anyone is currently aware of. You can't control the first option - it has to be in your stars. If it is, you can then quote Bob Dylan - "I can't help it if I'm lucky." It's my opinion that you don't find treasure - treasure finds you.
The second option - creative hard work - you can control. Lots of "what ifs". Dig and sift. Keep it up and you may find a nugget or two in the sand. mdog is good at this - the Treasure Mountain thread proves it. Most people aren't willing to work that hard. Rule of thumb here, IMO, is to go after treasures that few people have heard of.
Ah yes, the treasure is the beautiful mountains and rivers of New Mexico. Every canyon is a new and beautiful world. Exercise, both metal and physical, nothing better. Not only enjoying the incredible scenery and seclusion, but add to it the remote possibility that you could actually stumble across a bar of gold, an old leather saddle bag, and old spanish mine entrance and the day becomes a wonderful experience. Maybe the real treasure is keeping your body fit enough to overcome the challenge of the mountains. Every day spent in the mountains is its reward and its own treasure to me. Just meeting the challenge of the terrain is a reward in itself. Do I believe there are treasures buried out there? oh yes, without a doubt. Thats the icing on the cake. Its like hunting. I dont need to kill an animal every time out, in fact the longer the hunt takes, the greater it feels. The harder the challenge the better it feels in the end.
This treasure stuff is probly the most challenging endeavor i have undertaken. If i spend 10 years exploring and enjoying the mountains its a hell of a lot better than sitting on the couch watching tv, growing feeble and wishing and thinking about the "glory days".
Just my humble opinion but I do believe Doc and Tony found a cave full of gold bars in the Caballo mountains, that to this day is still there. And I am going to find it. I may not even exploit it. No need to. But just finding it is the holy grail for me.
wr
We're on the same page, rat. I forfeited years in the absolute prime of my life on the working end of a pick and shovel (a 36" old-fashioned crowbar is an excellent digging tool, by the way). Not a damned thing to show for it, but no regrets either - they were the best years of my life. My only advice - consider any failures as learning opportunities and be willing to move on when the time comes.
Probably been posted before, but is this Willie saying that the Cab's (his place anyways) are empty?
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He seems to say several interesting things:
1) His cave is empty
2) He tried or did join the Army?
3) Buster Ward did not die as reported? He says Buster's been drunk for 20 years, but he supposedly did not live that long according to what I've read. Then he sort of backpedals real fast. Memory problem, or?
4) The worst torture was the spark plugs of a running car - worse than the cigarette burns
He also sort of confesses to one of the several murders that have been pinned on him by various sources and such.
What's your eyeball lie detector say on this guy?
Sorry if this is a re-hash. I'll go read more and leave this alone if someone throws me a link to old stuff already covering this.
You like the interview? You'll love Willie's book. He wrote it after high-tailing it out of New Mexico for California, using his alias of Laurence Foreman. Click on the cover to get the entire text (loads very slowly). Passport to Eternity
What do you think? Was the gold really in a cave at Victorio Peak, as Doc Noss stated? Did the government get the gold in the 1960'2 or 1970's?
I'm docs great great nephew. I'd be willing to get to the bottom of all this . He was older by 20years then his supposedly reported age as far as I am aware.MesaBuddy:
From what I heard/know, There JUST! Might be another undisturbed & NOT! Robbed, cavern!
The exit/entrance is outside the Proving Grds !
IF!
"Comanchero" knows any Old Time Apaches from The Mescalero Reservation,
He/They can verify this!
IF!
They are inclined, to reveal what they know of the Two other, than original, entrances!
I don't know where the inside the Proving Grds Entrance is located,
But!
I have a very good Idea where the other, (outside the Proving Grds) is!
In case you or someone else thinks, this is "BS" !
I will be more than glad, to meet you or HIM! (And! He knows who "HE" is! )in Las Cruces, and we go out and see if it is the entrance!
Why haven't I been out there?
I have had FOUR (4)! ( NM.) FRIENDS DIE in the past couple of years!
Is this just a coincidence ?
They were all involved in some way, with "DOC's CACHE" !
Two, Family members, & Two, close, friends of the family!
HEY!
I'll shoot it out! with anything or "body" !
Witness my FEMA Confurtation !
But!
When it comes to The Supernatural" ..
I'm Chicken!
& Besides,
I'm all out of Silver Bullets!