The Merchant Royal was in port in Cadiz when it learned of a Spanish ship that was overburdened with this treasure.

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The legal cases taht surround Captain John Limbrey and his charter of a ship the Merchant Royal for fifteen months, although by the time of the vessels sinking, its captain John Limbrey’s charter had expired, as at the time of the vessel’s loss Limbrey had the ship on a trading expedition for forty-four months.

Of information relating to the Merchant Royall the court case taken to the Kings bench in the house of lords confirms the existence of a ship called the Merchant Royall and a captain John Limbrey. The grounds by which the case taken against the owners of the merchant Royall was based on the fact that the ship had sunk due to the claim from John Limbrey that it was not seaworthy.

The legal case of the Merchant Royall, Limbrey verses Langham took place in a very turbulent time in English politics, Over the winter of 1641-2 relations between King and Parliament broke down entirely which led to a civil war in 1642 that lasted to 1651.

The case had arisen over the contract of charter between London Aldermen John Langham and Sir John Cordell and a group of merchants led by Captain John Lymbrey. Langham and his partners had leased the Merchant Royal under contract, to Lymbrey and his partners Arnold Brames and John Cardock who were London merchants, the contract chartered the merchant Royall to trade overseas for fifteen months . Lymbrey’s expedition lasted some four years and on his final voyage home the ship was lost.

Langham and his partners subsequently took a case against Limbrey for breach of contract in Common courts and sued for the loss of their ship, although they abandoned the case when they realized the case would only be heard by one judge.

Lymbrey then sued Langham, it seems there where three cases that Limbrey lost, in the common courts, there is also the suggestion that Limbrey considered that Langham and Cordell had influence over the common courts as Langham was an alderman in London’s council and Cordell served in parliament as an MP.

Limbrey therefore took the case to take the King's Bench in the house of lords to recover the cost of the lost freight, alleging that the ship was not fit for sea. At that point, Langham petitioned the House of Lords, requesting that the King's Bench proceedings would be halted and dismissed, this case proceeded through the house of lords from October 1643 to August 1647.

In 1643 the lords agreed to hear the case and it was sent to a select committee of the house for hearing. Limbrey was successful in his case and secured 18000L for loss to himself and his merchants. Langham then appealed the case back to the Kings bench the case went on through the house of lords until 1647 when the case was dismissed from the house of lords as Limbrey had won the case in 1643 the appeal to the House of Lords by Langham were found to have broken a statue law of the house, that prevented an appeal to the Kings bench after a case had been tried at committee level in common law.

The court case opens up one quite simple question why there is no mention of the king of Spain and the enormous wealth the Merchant Royall reportedly was transporting on behalf of the king Philip IV. Another detail that arises from the case is the fact that it is stated in the house of commons Journals that the case arose from an incident in late 1630, s. The money awarded to Limbrey would cover his reported wealth of 10,000L, and possibly the merchant’s loss, and of course the king of Spain was insured by Dutch and Italian insurers so in terms of the Kings money bullion and jewels they would not have been relevant to a claim against the Merchant Royalls owners, But still no mention at all.
 

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Some great stuff.

I wonder if there is cargo manifest still in existence ever in Cadiz Spain or documents of dutch merchants in Holland?

Finally inquiring minds need some clarity we have reference the Royal Merchant and Merchant Royal?

Are they one in the same vessel or two separate vessels?

Trinity house certificate s gives 'Royal Merchant' Deptford 600 tons. Tony Allen states 'Merchant Royal' 700 tons.



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You need to scroll down to the second, much fuller description of the case; Describes the ship as the Royall Merchaunt of 500 tons. https://www.british-history.ac.uk/lords-jrnl/vol8/pp604-608#h3-s5
You need to scroll down to the second, much fuller description of the case; Describes the ship as the Royall Merchaunt of 500 tons. https://www.british-history.ac.uk/lords-jrnl/vol8/pp604-608#h3-s5
From what I can tell, 120-ton Dartmouth was Edward Hollister’s ship, and the 400-ton ship was connected to Drake’s contract with London Merchants in 1589 the Leavant company. I may be wrong. The account of the proceeding is where you start to see the cracks in the story of the Merchant Royall treasure ship.
 

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This is an American ship?
Note the papers was referring to carpenter that built the Royal Merchant now residing in New England

Sec. Coke. Has made inquiries respecting the ship-carpenters Mr. Winthrop, the Governor, had with him in New England. There is Wil. Stephens, who built the Royal Merchant of 600 tons, so able a shipwright as there is hardly such another to be found in this kingdom, and two or three others. Is informed that the plantation will next year build ships of any burden.

These english ship builders moved to the colonies to engage in ship building as oak was already trees was in England was becoming already becoming more and more depleted. So in that context the ship was not American built. The builder of the Royal merchant in deptford England moved to the colonies to build ships. America did not technically exist back then as a independent nation.

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Reading between the lines the Royal merchant probably had problem with torleado ship worm traveling to the tropics for longer period than originally intended. these ships with marine growth eating away the hull misty likely contributed to the loss of the vessel.

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The first documentary evidence that copper sheathing was ordered for the keels of two British naval ships is dated October 1759, and in December of that year the keels of two more ships were sheathed in this way.

So many ships before that era had a short working life before worm ate the crap out of them. The ship from memory built 1627? sunk 1641 roughly 14 years. the you tube clip shows what damage can be done in six year to oak timber on the hull. It mot hard to imagine the merchant royal was littoral falling apart couple that with bad weather its not rocket science why she sank.

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