🥇 BANNER Revolutionary War USA Relic? No Idea, but I Know It's Old!

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Deep in the woods today near the spot where I found a Rev War era stirrup. Got a low 70's signal 6 inches down and thought I had dug a flat button. Wiped it off and noticed that one side had grooves on it instead of a shank. Then I turned it over and saw a USA logo on it! Looks similar to the Rev War button logo, but not quite the same. It's 1" in diameter and appears to be brass.

Did some research online, but I drew a blank. No idea what this is or how old. Hoping it's Rev War, but it could be later than that. What the heck did I find?

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I imagine the age of the coin would change the weight due to condition but I would have to weigh it for grins. Regardless it is a super rare dug coin.
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It weighs 4.62 grams, which is quite a bit less than the 5.44 grams an undug example would weigh. But it is also very thin, probably as thin as a dime.
 

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When I saw the bars on the back of it my jaw hit the floor! Incredibly cool find, congratulations!

Steve
 

FreeBirdTim said:
It weighs 4.62 grams, which is quite a bit less than the 5.44 grams an undug example would weigh. But it is also very thin, probably as thin as a dime.
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I really hope its the real deal.

But sadly I'm going to be the only one to say, take it slow & take it to an expert. I'm a little worried about the bar side, they don't line up the same as the sold examples. There maybe a reason because I'm not familiar with this coin.

FINGERS CROSSED!!!
 

Here's my take on it. It's either from 1785 or 1860. No doubt about it. Every coin I've found at this spot (over 100 acres) has been from 1893 or older, with the oldest coin being from 1816. So now we're down to two coins, real or 1860 counterfeit. But they only made 65 of the counterfeit and probably 5,000 or more of the real one. So the odds seem much greater that it's the real deal and not a counterfeit that someone bought in 1860 and lost deep in the woods a few years later. Why would someone be walking around in the woods with this coin in the 1860's or later anyway? Doesn't make sense to me. Just my take on it.

Unfortunately, it's flaking on the edges every time I pick it up, so I'm not going to ship it anywhere to authenticate it. And I'm afraid to hand it over to a coin guy and let him paw it until all the detail falls off of this rare coin. I'm 100% sure it's from 1785, based on my other finds at this spot. A 1700's era stirrup, 1700's shoe buckle frame, 1700's knee buckle and half a dozen 1700's flat buttons.

Just my luck to find a rare coin and some idiot counterfeited it 75 years later! LOL!
 

Super exciting find. I'll be following this post to see what else you find out. Great piece of history. Congrats!!
 

That is one fine dig there
 

That is a sweet find. I don't know much about coins and didn't even know this type to exist. I know your specimen is not in the greatest shape but if you go back to what PepperJ posted on the second page, look half way down the verbiage and it tells you how to authenticate your coin. It talks about a thorn like projection on the lower part of the second bar. Hopefully it does indeed turn out to be the real deal. :icon_thumleft:
 

Hi, wow that is a great find:icon_thumleft:
 

FreeBirdTim said:
Here's my take on it. It's either from 1785 or 1860. No doubt about it. Every coin I've found at this spot (over 100 acres) has been from 1893 or older, with the oldest coin being from 1816. So now we're down to two coins, real or 1860 counterfeit. But they only made 65 of the counterfeit and probably 5,000 or more of the real one. So the odds seem much greater that it's the real deal and not a counterfeit that someone bought in 1860 and lost deep in the woods a few years later. Why would someone be walking around in the woods with this coin in the 1860's or later anyway? Doesn't make sense to me. Just my take on it.

Unfortunately, it's flaking on the edges every time I pick it up, so I'm not going to ship it anywhere to authenticate it. And I'm afraid to hand it over to a coin guy and let him paw it until all the detail falls off of this rare coin. I'm 100% sure it's from 1785, based on my other finds at this spot. A 1700's era stirrup, 1700's shoe buckle frame, 1700's knee buckle and half a dozen 1700's flat buttons.

Just my luck to find a rare coin and some idiot counterfeited it 75 years later! LOL!
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Same question back at you. Why was someone in 1785 wandering the woods...lol Never make the mistake of trying to make sense of why things turn up where they do, only worry about what they are.
 

​Excellent find! I think I would have to have it authenticated and slabbed. Then lock it in a safe. I figure it is worth a $1000 even with environmental damage. Just my opinion. I vote banner.
 

Congrats on an outstanding find :thumbsup: That baby should be on the Banner in no time. Keep us posted of any further developments regarding this coin.
 

I have a question - in a case like this, what can a guy do to STOP the flaking he's talking about ? Anything at all that can be done to not damage such a coin ?

I mean I'm in Arkansas, no chance I'd ever find something like that but for all you who have the knowledge what can be done when rare coins/buttons like this are found to stop decaying after being dug ?

I didn't even know what a bar cent was until today
 

That one is so rare potentially that you should consider biting the bullet and getting it authenticated. Maybe hit it with Museum Wax in the meantime.

Is the Bar Cent rarer than the Chain Cent that the Hoobah Boy found?
 

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