Pray for the Klamath River

[et1955]

4 dams have been removed and this is the results. These pics were taken 8 miles down river from Happy Camp. Reports of bad smell and deep mud on the banks plus fish kill. Sadly this river will not recover for at least 8 years and maybe more. Pics were taken by the New 49's club and I thank them for keeping me updated.

 

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[bc5391]

I've been to happy camp, that is a shame.

 

[russau]

Fish kill , River levels drained M/T ! Sounds like a lawsuit brewing and use their own laws and conditions to hang them in court !

 

[delnorter]

Thanks for the photos et1955. Do you mean these photos were taken on a club claim 8 miles downstream of HappyCamp?

I‘ve heard from friends over the hill it’s pretty bad. I’ll take look see this spring.

I’m sure you’ve heard, the greens are shooting for removal of the dams on the Snake River next.
Mike

 

[et1955]

Thanks for the photos et1955. Do you mean these photos were taken on a club claim 8 miles downstream of HappyCamp?

I‘ve heard from friends over the hill it’s pretty bad. I’ll take look see this spring.

I’m sure you’ve heard, the greens are shooting for removal of the dams on the Snake River next.
Mike

Yes and there is a video of how thick mud is on the bank, over 1.5 ft. thick

 

[BoulderTroll]

I’m sure you’ve heard, the greens are shooting for removal of the dams on the Snake River next.

I always think about what that would do to the agriculture industry in the area..... pumping all that quantity from the aquifer probably isn't sustainable

 

[southfork]

Don't worry about the mud one good storm and it will end up in the ocean. Nature's way of cleaning out the silt the way it should. Just think about all the gold that has been trapped behind those dams. And in time the fisheries will rebound just like they were before all the diversions and dams.

 

[Oregon Viking]

Tragic and unnecessary! Wildlife suffering a miserable death in 'quick-mud' that is now exposed due to the draining of Iron Gate and Copco Lakes! The greedy and ruthless corporation Klamath River Renewal Corporation ('KRRC') and Resource Environmental Services 'RES' knew years ago that the potential for excessive 'takings', suffering and deaths of wildlife would occur during Klamath River Dams removal, and agreed to help mitigate this unnecessary horror show by installing fence-barriers around the hundreds of acres of 'quick-mud' hazards to limit unintended 'takings' of wildlife AND horses.

Along with all of the relevant Siskiyou County Officials, we were told (executive director William E. Simpson II) as of the week of January 15th 2024, that both barriers and alternative water sources (troughs at key locations) would be provided. THEN at the Special Meeting of the Siskiyou County Board of Supervisors (Tuesday January, 23, 2024) the representatives of KRRC surprised everyone when they told the Board of Supervisors that they decided to roll-back plans for fencing and alternative water... This is a decision made by GREED! Clearly, preservation of wildlife ranks lower than MONEY to this shell Corp.

'KRRC'. It's now very clear to us that KRRC and Resource Environmental Services ('RES' their sub-contractors) decided that it was more economical to let wildlife suffer and die a slow and anguishing deaths than to erect the fences and provide alternative water... Our Executive Director who is an experienced naturalist living in the immediate area volunteered to assist KRRC & RES with identifying key locations for alternative water sources for wildlife and horses.

They essential gave everyone, the wildlife, the Board of Supervisors and our Org the 'middle finger'... As they have with everyone in the area of the Lakes being impacted, and then they wonder why they are despised by the majority pf people in the County and living around the Lakes being decimated, and leading to what will, with our doubt, the largest Ecological Disaster on the West Coast of the U.S.! ...

CALL and keep calling YOUR REPS AND SENATORS... THIS IS NOT HOW WE DO THINGS IN AMERICA! @followers PBS New York Times Events Los Angeles Times San Francisco Chronicle Bill Meyer Gavin Newsom Wildlife VR TV KDRV NewsWatch 12 Oregonian Opinion ODFW TIME Newsweek Fox News ABC News BBC News Copco Lake Community Copco Lake Community Club Copco Lake Fire Department

 

[Assembler]

Nature will clean up the dead fish with all of the animals around.

 

[DizzyDigger]

OV, those are Chum salmon, and probably died quite a while ago after they spawned.

 

[Assembler]

OV, those are Chum salmon, and probably died quite a while ago after they spawned.

Just talk to any good biologist and they will tell you that the dead fish of all kinds are a very important part of the eco-nutrient chain of life for the rivers.

 

[DizzyDigger]

Just talk to any good biologist and they will tell you that the dead fish of all kinds are a very important part of the eco-nutrient chain of life for the rivers.

They are important, in fact critical to the survival of many plant and fish species here in the Skagit. Can't speak for other fish, but I do know that Dolly Varden trout have no issues consuming their relative's carcass's. This is the only river in Washington that gets returns from all five salmon species.

About 10-15 years back, there were several of us locals that would
volunteer up at the hatchery in Marblemount. They'd load a tote or two of salmon carcasses into our pickups, and then we'd go out and toss those nasty smelling fish off of bridges (with a pitchfork) into various feeder creeks. Thousands of fish carcasses get returned each year.

 

[Assembler]

They are important, in fact critical to the survival of many plant and fish species here in the Skagit. Can't speak for other fish, but I do know that Dolly Varden trout have no issues consuming their relative's carcass's. This is the only river in Washington that gets returns from all five salmon species.

About 10-15 years back, there were several of us locals that would
volunteer up at the hatchery in Marblemount. They'd load a tote or two of salmon carcasses into our pickups, and then we'd go out and toss those nasty smelling fish off of bridges (with a pitchfork) into various feeder creeks. Thousands of fish carcasses get returned each year.

Nature has to "Mine" all of the minerals in the dead fish and insects back to the plants and other animals in order to complete the natural life cycle of the rivers and water systems around the world.

The fact is nature is by far a bigger "Miner" then all mankind is currently involved with the activity of "Mining". Trying to prevent this fact is a big disruption of life. This will also lower the standard of life for all living life forms involved.

 

[digger joe52]

Thanks for the photos et1955. Do you mean these photos were taken on a club claim 8 miles downstream of HappyCamp?

I‘ve heard from friends over the hill it’s pretty bad. I’ll take look see this spring.

I’m sure you’ve heard, the greens are shooting for removal of the dams on the Snake River next.
Mike

By greens you mean the environmental nazis?

 

[N-Lionberger]

Hey man I’ve rooting for this for years! The dams removed we should be able to resume beach mining.

 

[russau]

Tragic and unnecessary! Wildlife suffering a miserable death in 'quick-mud' that is now exposed due to the draining of Iron Gate and Copco Lakes! The greedy and ruthless corporation Klamath River Renewal Corporation ('KRRC') and Resource Environmental Services 'RES' knew years ago that the potential for excessive 'takings', suffering and deaths of wildlife would occur during Klamath River Dams removal, and agreed to help mitigate this unnecessary horror show by installing fence-barriers around the hundreds of acres of 'quick-mud' hazards to limit unintended 'takings' of wildlife AND horses.

Along with all of the relevant Siskiyou County Officials, we were told (executive director William E. Simpson II) as of the week of January 15th 2024, that both barriers and alternative water sources (troughs at key locations) would be provided. THEN at the Special Meeting of the Siskiyou County Board of Supervisors (Tuesday January, 23, 2024) the representatives of KRRC surprised everyone when they told the Board of Supervisors that they decided to roll-back plans for fencing and alternative water... This is a decision made by GREED! Clearly, preservation of wildlife ranks lower than MONEY to this shell Corp.

'KRRC'. It's now very clear to us that KRRC and Resource Environmental Services ('RES' their sub-contractors) decided that it was more economical to let wildlife suffer and die a slow and anguishing deaths than to erect the fences and provide alternative water... Our Executive Director who is an experienced naturalist living in the immediate area volunteered to assist KRRC & RES with identifying key locations for alternative water sources for wildlife and horses.

They essential gave everyone, the wildlife, the Board of Supervisors and our Org the 'middle finger'... As they have with everyone in the area of the Lakes being impacted, and then they wonder why they are despised by the majority pf people in the County and living around the Lakes being decimated, and leading to what will, with our doubt, the largest Ecological Disaster on the West Coast of the U.S.! ...

View attachment 2131762 CALL and keep calling YOUR REPS AND SENATORS... THIS IS NOT HOW WE DO THINGS IN AMERICA! @followers PBS New York Times Events Los Angeles Times San Francisco Chronicle Bill Meyer Gavin Newsom Wildlife VR TV KDRV NewsWatch 12 Oregonian Opinion ODFW TIME Newsweek Fox News ABC News BBC News Copco Lake Community Copco Lake Community Club Copco Lake Fire Department

Yep a picture don't tell the whole story! Grenies have a way of spreading mis-information to get their way !

 

[Oregon Viking]

The first annual “River of Death” award goes to the Klamath River Renewal Corporation (‘KRRC’) and its CEO Mark Bransom.


Let’s face it, it really takes a lot to kill-off an entire aquatic ecosystem, and in the process, contaminate the Klamath River to the point where the County Health Department has to issue a press release warning citizens to stay out of the water!


Residents should not be in or drink water from the Klamath River due to high levels of arsenic, lead and aluminum, the Siskiyou County Environmental Health said today. According to the report, heavy metals in the Klamath River have increased due to sediment buildup that happened after drawdown of the river’s three reservoirs in January. This is part of the Lower Klamath Dam Removal project.


But, the Klamath River Renewal Corporation has managed to accomplish something that is unheard of on the west coast of the United States.


Their accomplishments in earning the ‘River of Death’ award, with the help of their contractors, have reached new heights in perpetrating ecological disaster.


Lets Review:


1. Ignoring the will of the American people living in Siskiyou County.


78% of local citizens who know the Klamath River and the lakes on that river like a friend, voted in a referendum on removing the klamath river dams said, ‘no dam removal’. KRRC had no problem giving the Citizens of Siskiyou County the middle finger.


2. Breaking promises to keep citizens and Siskiyou County California informed and up-to-date on plans and provide full and complete transparency, as they forced themselves and their agenda onto the County and the Klamath River.


3. Obfuscating, spinning and candy-coating science regarding toxins and heavy metals known to be problematic in the lakebed sediments if released into the main-stem of the Klamath River.


4. Disregarding their own published and well-socialized plan to dewater Copco and Iron Gate Lakes over the span of two months, and instead dumped the lake water and toxic sediments into the main-stem of the Klamath River over the period of just a few days.


5. Killing Billions of lifeforms in the main-stem of the Klamath River down river from the dam removal project, including native species organisms and fish, and adversely impacting terrestrial wildlife.


6. Creating a river that is now polluted and will remain polluted for decades as a result of the 15-million metric yards of sediments remaining in the lake bottoms continuing to erode clay, toxins and heavy metals into the Klamath River.


7. Ignoring the best science available that said the lake bottom sediments were a serious problem and must be removed and relocated away from any watershed. Arguably this was done in favor of profitability (taking the cheap route out).


Planting toxic sediments listens-well, but is guaranteed to fail, here’s why:


Anyone thinking logically knows that the Klamath River floods periodically. And because KRRC’s plan failed to wash the majority of the polluted lake bottom sediments down river during their off-plan three-day dump of water and sediments, the now remaining 15-million metric yards of polluted sediments are merely a ticking time-bomb.


The so-called plan to plant the remaining polluted sediment beds is just a fake solution that flies in the face of reality!


Let’s Assume the following scenario (best case situation):


The plantings take hold, and few years pass. Maybe some fish survive and show up in the Klamath River. At this point, hundreds of $-millions more of California and Oregon taxes have been spent restoring the river and developing the fishery by cleaning-up and mitigating the January 23, 2024 sediment dump of 5-7-million metric yards of polluted clay sediments.


This process will likely include the expensive dredging in numerous locations of the Klamath River to remove impacted clay from ecologically critical ‘deep pool refugia’ and spawning beds used by fish.


Then, we have a flood. As we all know, a flood will in fact dislodge and transport large quantities of polluted sediments remaining on the lake bottoms into the river, killing the entire River again.


The empirically evident results of dumping just 5-7 million metric yards of that polluted clay sediment into the River easily killed all the aquatic life on the Klamath River, when it was dumped on January 23, 2024.


Imagine the additional epic damage to the Klamath River if some or all of the remaining 15-million metric yards of polluted clay sediments (planted or not) are washed into the main-stem of the Klamath River via a flood.


Those meager plantings, even if they take hold, cannot withstand the force of a flood-torrent rushing through the lake-bed canyons where the 15-million metric yards of polluted clay sediments currently remain.


KRRC’s failure to acknowledge this very real probability arguably brings their so-called plan into the realm of incompetence and gross negligence.


And assuming they realize what they are doing shows a total disregard for the correct methodologies for restoring the river, which some experts might characterize as devious and sinister given the current and likely future impacts on the health, safety and economic welfare of the local people, including indigenous people, as well as the remaining wildlife.


We hope Mr. Bransom attends the March 12th Siskiyou County Board of Supervisors meeting so that he can accept the award for KRRC.


The first annual “River of Death” award goes to the Klamath River Renewal Corporation (‘KRRC’) and its CEO Mark Bransom.
Let’s face it, it really takes a lot to kill-off an entire aquatic ecosystem, and in the process, contaminate the Klamath River to the point where the County Health Department has to issue a press release warning citizens to stay out of the water!
Residents should not be in or drink water from the Klamath River due to high levels of arsenic, lead and aluminum, the Siskiyou County Environmental Health said today. According to the report, heavy metals in the Klamath River have increased due to sediment buildup that happened after drawdown of the river’s three reservoirs in January. This is part of the Lower Klamath Dam Removal project.
But, the Klamath River Renewal Corporation has managed to accomplish something that is unheard of on the west coast of the United States.
Their accomplishments in earning the ‘River of Death’ award, with the help of their contractors, have reached new heights in perpetrating ecological disaster.
Lets Review:
1. Ignoring the will of the American people living in Siskiyou County.
78% of local citizens who know the Klamath River and the lakes on that river like a friend, voted in a referendum on removing the klamath river dams said, ‘no dam removal’. KRRC had no problem giving the Citizens of Siskiyou County the middle finger.
2. Breaking promises to keep citizens and Siskiyou County California informed and up-to-date on plans and provide full and complete transparency, as they forced themselves and their agenda onto the County and the Klamath River.
3. Obfuscating, spinning and candy-coating science regarding toxins and heavy metals known to be problematic in the lakebed sediments if released into the main-stem of the Klamath River.
4. Disregarding their own published and well-socialized plan to dewater Copco and Iron Gate Lakes over the span of two months, and instead dumped the lake water and toxic sediments into the main-stem of the Klamath River over the period of just a few days.
5. Killing Billions of lifeforms in the main-stem of the Klamath River down river from the dam removal project, including native species organisms and fish, and adversely impacting terrestrial wildlife.
6. Creating a river that is now polluted and will remain polluted for decades as a result of the 15-million metric yards of sediments remaining in the lake bottoms continuing to erode clay, toxins and heavy metals into the Klamath River.
7. Ignoring the best science available that said the lake bottom sediments were a serious problem and must be removed and relocated away from any watershed. Arguably this was done in favor of profitability (taking the cheap route out).
Planting toxic sediments listens-well, but is guaranteed to fail, here’s why:
Anyone thinking logically knows that the Klamath River floods periodically. And because KRRC’s plan failed to wash the majority of the polluted lake bottom sediments down river during their off-plan three-day dump of water and sediments, the now remaining 15-million metric yards of polluted sediments are merely a ticking time-bomb.
The so-called plan to plant the remaining polluted sediment beds is just a fake solution that flies in the face of reality!
Let’s Assume the following scenario (best case situation):
The plantings take hold, and few years pass. Maybe some fish survive and show up in the Klamath River. At this point, hundreds of $-millions more of California and Oregon taxes have been spent restoring the river and developing the fishery by cleaning-up and mitigating the January 23, 2024 sediment dump of 5-7-million metric yards of polluted clay sediments.
This process will likely include the expensive dredging in numerous locations of the Klamath River to remove impacted clay from ecologically critical ‘deep pool refugia’ and spawning beds used by fish.
Then, we have a flood. As we all know, a flood will in fact dislodge and transport large quantities of polluted sediments remaining on the lake bottoms into the river, killing the entire River again.
The empirically evident results of dumping just 5-7 million metric yards of that polluted clay sediment into the River easily killed all the aquatic life on the Klamath River, when it was dumped on January 23, 2024.
Imagine the additional epic damage to the Klamath River if some or all of the remaining 15-million metric yards of polluted clay sediments (planted or not) are washed into the main-stem of the Klamath River via a flood.
Those meager plantings, even if they take hold, cannot withstand the force of a flood-torrent rushing through the lake-bed canyons where the 15-million metric yards of polluted clay sediments currently remain.
KRRC’s failure to acknowledge this very real probability arguably brings their so-called plan into the realm of incompetence and gross negligence.
And assuming they realize what they are doing shows a total disregard for the correct methodologies for restoring the river, which some experts might characterize as devious and sinister given the current and likely future impacts on the health, safety and economic welfare of the local people, including indigenous people, as well as the remaining wildlife.
We hope Mr. Bransom attends the March 12th Siskiyou County Board of Supervisors meeting so that he can accept the award for KRRC.

 

[southfork]

I thought politics was forbidden this sounds like a personal attack on Mr. Bransom. Did he do all that by himself?

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

Would it be true that after the muck is flushed out locations previously under water would now be accessible?