WWII Military Pins

[cherrypicked]

I am trying to figure out what these two pins are. Someone mentioned the wing pin could be an early CAA pin but I'm familiar with those and this doesn't look like that. I can't find it anywhere on the internet!

The wings have a circle with an eagle, three stars under it, and what I think is the regular pilots shield.

The other is a trident like shape with a chain the number "58" which I am assuming is the year but I'm not sure what the top pin itself is. Obviously if the 58 is the year it is not WWII but I am pretty sure the other may be.

I would really appreciate any help I can get.

 

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[taz42o]

The item on the 58 pin is a sheet music holder so i would guess a school band pin.

 

[cherrypicked]

Thanks! With your help I actually found that it is the insignia for the Army band. The wing one is proving to be a bit more difficult.

 

[bigfoot1]

I believe it is the wright flier at kitty hawk depicted.It may well be a tourist trinket.

 

[bigfoot1]

also welcome to tnet.Do we know you by another screen name?just curious

 

[cherrypicked]

Thanks for the welcome. I am brand new.

 

[cherrypicked]

I can kind of see the Wright Flyer although if those are the wings they are a bit funky.

 

[GpSnoopy]

I was able to find 2 wings with the wright flyer. Definitely Civil Aeronautics Administration. Don't know more than that, at the moment.

 

[nhbenz]

Where did you find information that distinguishes the tie pin as being from an army band?...as many school bands use the same design, with the graduation date being '58 in this case.

 

[cherrypicked]

Oh awesome! You found it! Good call on the Wright Flyer. I am trying to find the one I have but I can't find any actual pictures of it. I would love to know if it's real and what it's worth.

 

[cherrypicked]

I didn't mean to imply it was definitely army, just that they use the same symbol so I know it's actually the sheet music holder. I couldn't for the life of me figure out what that was a depiction of.

 

[nhbenz]

What are the marks on the back of the wings?

 

[cherrypicked]

No marks at all.

 

[cherrypicked]

I know the ones with the writing and Indian Head are sterling and say patent pending. I am familiar with the Indian Head badge but not these. The badge itself is much more dull than it shows in the picture, that was due to the flash. Part of me is hoping it's a really early version of the training badge. That would be a cool find!

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Even though there are no marks on the back, can we still see a pic? I may be able to determine something from the clasp. I agree on the Wright Flyer and CAA but I disagree on the trinket comment.

Same request on the school pin.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The pic posted by Snoopy is match... correct? Can we read the link Snoopy?

 

[cherrypicked]

Yes the picture is an exact match.

 

[cherrypicked]

It's hard to tell from the pics but it has a locking clasp that rolls down. Similar to the silver ones.

 

[cherrypicked]

I do know that WWII wings were made from other metals and didn't always have markings on the back so I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I got these items at an estate sale so I decided to see if anyone who was Army Air Corps passed away at that address and found the man's obit. Doesn't mean it's real but at least the time frame is correct.

Clarence Meyer Blacksmith
February 6, 1911 - March 15, 2013

Clarence Meyer Blacksmith, 102, a lifelong resident of Batavia passed away, Friday, March 15, 2013 at Geneva Nursing and Rehabilitation. He was born February 6, 1911 in Batavia the son of Frank and Emma (nee Meyer) Blacksmith. He was united in marriage September 28, 1946 to Lillian Siegmund in Aurora, IL. Clarence was a graduate of Batavia High School. He enlisted in the United States Army Air Corps during WWII from August 4, 1942 until December 20, 1945. He served as a Statistician and was honorably discharged as a sergeant. Clarence worked as a draftsman for Walker Process later to become Chicago Bridge and Iron. Clarence was an active and devoted member of Immanuel Lutheran Church. In his spare time he enjoyed tinkering and building model railroads. He also enjoyed cheering for his beloved Green Bay Packers. In Clarence’s earlier years he was a huge motorcycle enthusiast. Clarence and his wife Lillian met through a motorcycle club and even took their honeymoon to Texas on a motorcycle. He is survived by two sons, Stephen (Lulu) Blacksmith of Geneva, and Martin (Marilyn) Blacksmith of Batavia; five grandchildren, Heather (Andrew) Rios, Christian (Lenora), Timothy, Nicole Blacksmith, and Stefanie (Matt) Evans; four great-grandchildren, Khiana, Kiara Blacksmith and Tyler, Anna, and Emma Rios. He is preceded in death by his wife Lillian and a brother John Blacksmith. A funeral service will be held 12:00 noon Monday, March 18, 2013 at Immanuel Lutheran Church 950 Hart Road Batavia, IL. Visitation will be held 9:30 A.M. until 11:30 A.M. Monday, March 18, 2013 prior to the funeral service at Moss Family Funeral Home 209 South Batavia Ave. Batavia, IL. Interment will be in River Hills Memorial Park in Batavia.

 

[GpSnoopy]

The pic posted by Snoopy is match... correct? Can we read the link Snoopy?

Unfortunately, those images were on a collector's site "wanted" list and had no further information. I've been reading all I could about the CAA in hopes of finding something more. Appears to be a fairly uncommon pin, at least with regards to information. I'm wondering if it was a service pin given to CAA Senior Admin staff.

There is much more information about the more common "Chief's head" CAA War Training Service pin and hat badge and I have posted the links below.

One comment on StanWing is interesting.

Many of the instructors used different types of wings, such as the one shown here

StanWing.Com - Insignia of the U.S.A.
Army Air Corps Cadet, Pilots and Instructors: WWII Flight Training Scroll down to "CPTP and the War Training Service"

EDIT: The matching image is from, I believe, the logo of the U.S. Department of Commerce Civil Aeronautics Administration and was used on manuals and licenses issued during WW2. This is a 1941 Civil Pilot Training manual. Makes one question whether this is a service pin or an administration pin.