Would This Tiny Jug Have Keene or Stoddard Manufacture?

[boxofrain]

We are in Central Massachusetts, and buy lots of Old Things. CHF precludes me from detecting, so we buy from those that do. One customer's family was in Greenfield MA during the better parts of the early 19thC-20thC, and was of "some note". We have the deeds and documents, so he brought in a small lot of Bottles and Pewter. This Jug is freeblown, and in an intense Yellow-Green shade. The bottom half is clear of marks; the upper half resembles a turn-mold item, with a series of concentric horizontal lines. My guess is it's where calipers were used to shape the upper part before the handle was added. It has some mass and moderate wear on the base... I'm wondering if this is a product of a New Hampshire Glass house, as Greenfield MA is a short straight line up to those areas.

 

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[Professor of Engineering]

Welcome to the forum from Massachusetts!

Very nice find!

 

[boxofrain]

Welcome to the forum from Massachusetts!

Very nice find!

 

[boxofrain]

Thanks! I have a True Story about a really nice detected PTS, a pregnant mom, two checks and a grading service saying "whaaaa... ?". When I find the right place here I'll relate it

 

[chub]

No expert here but it looks fairly modern. From memory feric iron or oxidised iron gives it the colour. I would guess 50 years old or younger.

Chub

 

[boxofrain]

No expert here but it looks fairly modern. From memory feric iron or oxidised iron gives it the colour. I would guess 50 years old or younger.

Chub

Yeah, I would have thought so, too... but we have the other Bottles and they are just as nice. Our customer, who is 72 and a person of "some note", remembers them from his childhood. The Powder Horns are next. The coloring is odd - in hand it's remarkable; I was wondering if the color is a base for another color, like Olive, and this was a whimsy made before the addition of other color-changing materials?

 

[sandchip]

I think Chub is spot on.

 

[diggummup]

I may be wrong because I'm not holding it but I think it's a Jamestown Williamsburg reproduction. Maybe his memory was off?

 

[boxofrain]

I just called the Jamestown Glasshouse, and spoke to a charming young lady. I described the piece, color, and method of manufacture and she says that they didn't make it (the Pontil mark being one reason why...), so I don't know what to tell you.

The "turn mold" type of concentric lines are not part of their method of manufacture, and I was told that their pontil marks are blowtorched smooth prior to the object being released for sale. This pontil mark on this one is sharp. The little jug has stray glass hairlines, something not seen on Jamestown pieces, as I was also told.

 

[SultansOfSwing]

https://www.cmog.org/artwork/lily-pad-pitcher

Transparent aquamarine glass; blown, applied. Pitcher with an applied ear-shaped handle having a thread of glass on top, applied lily-pad decoration, Type II, applied crimped foot, rough pontil mark.

 

[SultansOfSwing]

Not the exact same but maybe searching for more examples of the marlboro st factory could haelp find your answer

 

[diggummup]

I just called the Jamestown Glasshouse, and spoke to a charming young lady. I described the piece, color, and method of manufacture and she says that they didn't make it (the Pontil mark being one reason why...), so I don't know what to tell you.

The "turn mold" type of concentric lines are not part of their method of manufacture, and I was told that their pontil marks are blowtorched smooth prior to the object being released for sale. This pontil mark on this one is sharp. The little jug has stray glass hairlines, something not seen on Jamestown pieces, as I was also told.

This one here has a rough pontil, so she may want to rethink her reply to you. Not saying yours is a Jamestown piece but it does hiighly resemble this one. At any rate, as far as general shape, style and color, it's the closest I can find.

 

[boxofrain]

This one here has a rough pontil, so she may want to rethink her reply to you. Not saying yours is a Jamestown piece but it does hiighly resemble this one. At any rate, as far as general shape, style and color, it's the closest I can find.
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How tall is it? Does it have concentric rings from the middle to the top half? The rings on ours are on the inside, not the outside of the jug.

 

[boxofrain]

This and a few like it came with the jug-10 1/2" tall and bright Teal color

 

[diggummup]

Its right about 3" tall and it appears as if this one has concentric lines also. Is there such a thing as a creamer that has been made using a turn mold? I've only ever seen bottles made that way myself. Just looks like a free blown piece to me with an applied handle, no molds involved.

 

[chub]

Its right about 3" tall and it appears as if this one has concentric lines also. Is there such a thing as a creamer that has been made using a turn mold? I've only ever seen bottles made that way myself. Just looks like a free blown piece to me with an applied handle, no molds involved.

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Completely agree. Normal free blown.No turn mould..isnt it just calliper marks? The shape just corrected internally after the top was opened?

Chub

 

[boxofrain]

The concentric lines are from calipers used to shape it. Yup, they look "twin-y"
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