Wondering how old

[sscindercoop]

Any info on age of the bell, buckle, or candle holder would be a big help. Thanks

 

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[PBK]

I believe that the "S N" or "N S" crotal bell was made by Seth North of New Britain, CT, c. 1803-1840.

Based on the ornamental style of the other items, my guess is that they date somewhere in the latter half of the 19th century.

 

[johnnyi]

Once again a terrific i.d. by PBK. This will probably be the only time I'll ever disagree a little on his i.d. on anything; however these are sleigh bells rather than crotel bells. Believe it or not there's a difference, though a subtle one which has been covered in other threads ) As far as age is concerned, again PBK is right on the money with a date close to 1840. Although you can't see it in the scan very well, these seem to have the drilled roud hole in the "shank" rather than the u shaped opening, which dates these particular bells to the last phase of his manufacture.

 

[PBK]

Once again a terrific i.d. by PBK. This will probably be the only time I'll ever disagree a little on his i.d. on anything; however these are sleigh bells rather than crotel bells.

It's worth pointing out, too, that because of their decorative designs, bells such as this Seth North variety are often described as "petal bells."

Some interesting comments on distinctions in terminology (or, in some instances, lack thereof) can be found on the following webpages:

http://www.classicbells.com/Info/Crotal.htm

http://www.classicbells.com/Info/Petal.htm

 

[shaun7]

Here it says that a sleigh bell is a type of crotal
http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/crotal-bells.html

 

[Silver Searcher]

Here it says that a sleigh bell is a type of crotal
http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/crotal-bells.html

Crotal Bells it is, Great ID PBK good link shaun

SS

 

[CRUSADER]

What no mention of 'rumbler'.

 

[Woodland Detectors]

What no mention of 'rumbler'.

You just did. And yes, that is indeed a nice "sleigh" bell. I found one just like it recently..

 

[CRUSADER]

What no mention of 'rumbler'.

You just did. And yes, that is indeed a nice "sleigh" bell. I found one just like it recently..

so only used on sleigh's then?

 

[Silver Searcher]

Yes I have heard them called that to Cru but I think the general definition is Crotal Bell

SS

 

[CRUSADER]

Yes I have heard them called that to Cru but I think the general definition is Crotal Bell

SS

I'm mixing it up Rumbler is fine for later Crotal Bells.

 

[Silver Searcher]

Yes I have heard them called that to Cru but I think the general definition is Crotal Bell

SS

I'm mixing it up Rumbler is fine for later Crotal Bells.

So do you think a better defination would be Crotal bells(rumbler) also found on sleighs :P

SS

 

[shaun7]

Was there a difference in the note produced?

 

[CRUSADER]

Yes I have heard them called that to Cru but I think the general definition is Crotal Bell

SS

I'm mixing it up Rumbler is fine for later Crotal Bells.

So do you think a better defination would be Crotal bells(rumbler) also found on sleighs :P

SS

Yes.
The word 'Rumbler' became current as the name for Bells which decended from earlier Crotal Bells. Both types had Loop, ball clapper, rounded construction & sound holes. So Crotal is commonly used & acceptable along with Rumbler Bell for these types which were used for various functions.

PS, I agree with PBK that the Candle Holder is Late Victorian.

 

[shaun7]

Yes I have heard them called that to Cru but I think the general definition is Crotal Bell

SS

I'm mixing it up Rumbler is fine for later Crotal Bells.

So do you think a better defination would be Crotal bells(rumbler) also found on sleighs :P

SS

Yes.
The word 'Rumbler' became current as the name for Bells which decended from earlier Crotal Bells. Both types had Lopp, ball clapper, rounded construction & sound holes. So Crotal is commonly used & acceptable along with Rumbler Bell for these types which were used for various functions.

PS, I agree with PBK that the Candle Holder is Late Victorian.

"Ball Clapper"

 

[CRUSADER]

Yes I have heard them called that to Cru but I think the general definition is Crotal Bell

SS

I'm mixing it up Rumbler is fine for later Crotal Bells.

So do you think a better defination would be Crotal bells(rumbler) also found on sleighs :P

SS

Yes.
The word 'Rumbler' became current as the name for Bells which decended from earlier Crotal Bells. Both types had Lopp, ball clapper, rounded construction & sound holes. So Crotal is commonly used & acceptable along with Rumbler Bell for these types which were used for various functions.

PS, I agree with PBK that the Candle Holder is Late Victorian.

"Ball Clapper"

that is a far better name, maybe we should start that urban myth.

 

[shaun7]

Yes I have heard them called that to Cru but I think the general definition is Crotal Bell

SS

I'm mixing it up Rumbler is fine for later Crotal Bells.

So do you think a better defination would be Crotal bells(rumbler) also found on sleighs :P

SS

Yes.
The word 'Rumbler' became current as the name for Bells which decended from earlier Crotal Bells. Both types had Lopp, ball clapper, rounded construction & sound holes. So Crotal is commonly used & acceptable along with Rumbler Bell for these types which were used for various functions.

PS, I agree with PBK that the Candle Holder is Late Victorian.

"Ball Clapper"

that is a far better name, maybe we should start that urban myth.

You mean like, instead of the bogey man? Definitely!!


I'd rather bump into the Bogey Man than the Ball Clapper

 

[CRUSADER]

Yes I have heard them called that to Cru but I think the general definition is Crotal Bell

SS

I'm mixing it up Rumbler is fine for later Crotal Bells.

So do you think a better defination would be Crotal bells(rumbler) also found on sleighs :P

SS

Yes.
The word 'Rumbler' became current as the name for Bells which decended from earlier Crotal Bells. Both types had Lopp, ball clapper, rounded construction & sound holes. So Crotal is commonly used & acceptable along with Rumbler Bell for these types which were used for various functions.

PS, I agree with PBK that the Candle Holder is Late Victorian.

"Ball Clapper"

that is a far better name, maybe we should start that urban myth.

You mean like, instead of the bogey man? Definitely!!


I'd rather bump into the Bogey Man than the Ball Clapper

Even worse the ball clapper bogey man

 

[Silver Searcher]

Just getting back on topic, there is still one item in sscindercoops post to ID, just wondering if this could be a openwork bridal boss :P a bit like this one (fragment) what do you think guys :P

 

[CRUSADER]

Just getting back on topic, there is still one item in sscindercoops post to ID, just wondering if this could be a openwork bridal boss :P a bit like this one (fragment) what do you think guys :P

Looks a bit delicate for that. I can't quite make out the fixing, need a picture on its own?