With all of the VERIFIED bank and other robberies of the distant past

[RelicFinder77]

With all of the VERIFIED bank and other robberies of the distant past, that a Sheriff and posse caught within a couple hours of the crime, but the money was "never found" and the robbers immediately killed, lends me to believe their was a lot of absolutely crooked, thieving Sheriffs and posse back in the day.

Similar to how it has been here for many years with the bankers and politicians.

 

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[Gare]

With all of the VERIFIED bank and other robberies of the distant past, that a Sheriff and posse caught within a couple hours of the crime, but the money was "never found" and the robbers immediately killed, lends me to believe their was a lot of absolutely crooked, thieving Sheriffs and posse back in the day.

Similar to how it has been here for many years with the bankers and politicians.

It might not be just Back then !!! Explain to me how some on can enter a certain profession with a worth of maybe $200.000 and in 20 years be worth 20 MILLION !!

 

[Gare]

Not all crooks use a gun

 

[RGINN]

I've expressed that same opinion regarding certain Oklahoma robberies where the loot was 'never found'. Maybe not every one, but how easy would that be if everybody kept their mouths shut.

 

[Gold Maven]

my thoughts exactly.
The underpaid Sheriff, and possee risking their lives for some fat cat banker that might not be treating them the best when they need money.
I wouldn't blame them.

 

[ToddsPoint]

my thoughts exactly.
The underpaid Sheriff, and possee risking their lives for some fat cat banker that might not be treating them the best when they need money.
I wouldn't blame them.

That’s an interesting thought but knowing how people can’t keep their mouths shut I doubt it ever happened. A single person might have enough self control to keep his mouth shut. It would never happen with a group. Someone would slip up and let it out. Especially if they suddenly had a pocket full of money. Just my opinion.

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

With all of the VERIFIED bank and other robberies of the distant past, that a Sheriff and posse caught within a couple hours of the crime, but the money was "never found" and the robbers immediately killed, lends me to believe their was a lot of absolutely crooked, thieving Sheriffs and posse back in the day.

Similar to how it has been here for many years with the bankers and politicians.

Can you list a few examples of these verified occurrences? I be a lot depends on each specific case.

 

[RelicFinder77]

Can you list a few examples of these verified occurrences? I be a lot depends on each specific case.

They are in any and every book of treasure locations you find.

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

It might not be just Back then !!! Explain to me how some on can enter a certain profession with a worth of maybe $200.000 and in 20 years be worth 20 MILLION !!

Historically most folks in high paying positions came from wealth anyway. and they had time to build wealth before that 20 year gig earning 4 mil you use as example.

They also had the best investment advisors. Perhaps lived like min wage and put the rest to good use. salary isn't the only thing in their compensation package, much of their living expenses are covered. transportation and lodging. Matching 401K. Their spouse also has good income and family wealth.

They might have other entrepreneurial things going on in addition to their main gig. Own a company, rental property, patents. Wealthy people I know do multiple things. Many of them dabble in land development.

Tell us the specific example and we can find the reasons.

 

[robertk]

Tell us the specific example and we can find the reasons.

He's talking about Congress persons ... and we know the reasons.

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

He's talking about Congress persons ... and we know the reasons.

Names.

 

[robertk]

Names.

You could probably just pick a name and hit one, but it's a fairly common phenomena. See for example, here.

 

[pepperj]

That’s an interesting thought but knowing how people can’t keep their mouths shut I doubt it ever happened. A single person might have enough self control to keep his mouth shut. It would never happen with a group. Someone would slip up and let it out. Especially if they suddenly had a pocket full of money. Just my opinion.

The old saying goes.
"If you do a bad thing in your life, do it by yourself, or one other person.
Because anymore than that, someone will talk, and you won't know who, even if you had kept your own mouth shut."

 

[fishstick]

Names.

Break down AOC for us please

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

You could probably just pick a name and hit one, but it's a fairly common phenomena. See for example, here.

So not backing up claims ... rather telling me to go search it until I see it your way? Major fail.

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

Break down AOC for us please

You first.

 

[robertk]

So not backing up claims ... rather telling me to go search it until I see it your way? Major fail.

Did you bother to look at the article I linked (here, in case you missed it)? It has a rather lengthy list of names of congress persons with their change in net worth while there. It states plainly that among the top 20 gainers, quote, "The average increase in net worth in the Top 20 was 422% a year, excluding Chellie Pingree." (They excluded Chellie Pingree because her increase in wealth was by marrying a billionaire.)

My suggestion that you "pick a name" wasn't meant to imply that you should search out the data yourself, but simply that you could just about pick any name of a congress person and find they became dramatically wealthier during their tenure than their salary plus benefits would have enriched a non-congress person.

Major fail.

I answered your question by giving several specific names you asked for in that link. I can't help it if you failed to read it.

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

Did you bother to look at the article I linked (here, in case you missed it)? It has a rather lengthy list of names of congress persons with their change in net worth while there. It states plainly that among the top 20 gainers, quote, "The average increase in net worth in the Top 20 was 422% a year, excluding Chellie Pingree." (They excluded Chellie Pingree because her increase in wealth was by marrying a billionaire.)

My suggestion that you "pick a name" wasn't meant to imply that you should search out the data yourself, but simply that you could just about pick any name of a congress person and find they became dramatically wealthier during their tenure than their salary plus benefits would have enriched a non-congress person.


I answered your question by giving several specific names you asked for in that link. I can't help it if you failed to read it.

Your ballotpedia.org link was dead in the water because of XSS warnings. but just pick ONE and give me the claim. I am willing to check into at least one specific claim. State the name, and exactly what the claim is.

 

[robertk]

Your ballotpedia.org link was dead in the water because of XSS warnings. but just pick ONE and give me the claim. I am willing to check into at least one specific claim. State the name, and exactly what the claim is.

I’ll do better than that. Here are the top 100 names along with their increased net worth. I don’t make “specific claims” about them, that wasn’t the point. The point was people suddenly increasing their net worth by more than their income would support and I said the person who
Posted that was talking about members of Congress. You asked for names. Here are names. Lots of them. Cut and pasted from the linked article.

Top 20: The average increase in net worth in the Top 20 was 422% a year, excluding Chellie Pingree.
Chellie Pingree (D-ME)[26]
Pedro Pierluisi(D-PR)
Patrick Murphy (D-FL)
Marc Veasey(D-TX)
Jeff Denham(R-CA)
Judy Chu (D-CA)
Luis V. Gutierrez (D-IL)
Jerry McNerney (D-CA)
Trey Gowdy(R-SC)
Adam Kinzinger (R-IL)
Ted Poe (R-TX)
Mike Pence(R-IN)[27]
Roy Blunt (R-MO)
Loretta Sanchez (D-CA)
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Susan Collins(R-ME)
Rob Wittman(R-VA)
Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA)
Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-TX)
C. W. Bill Young (R-FL)[28]
Total by party (1-20)	11 of the Top 20 are Republicans. 9 are Democrats.
Top 21-40: The average increase in net worth in the Top 40 was 240% a year; for those in spots 21-40, it was 68%.[24]
Frank Pallone Jr. (D-NJ)
Steven Palazzo (R-MS)
Ted Cruz (R-TX)
Kerry Bentivolio (R-MI)
Collin Peterson (D-MN)
Martha Roby(R-AL)
Martin Heinrich (D-NM)
Steve Daines(R-MT)
Jeff Landry(R-LA)
Cory Gardner(R-CO)
Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
David Scott(D-GA)
Robert Pittenger (R-NC)
Sam Graves(R-MO)
Tom Harkin(D-IA)
James P. McGovern (D-MA)
Eni F. H. Faleomavaega(D-AS)
Randy Forbes(R-VA)
Tony Cardenas (D-CA)
Chip Cravaack(R-MN)
Total by party (1-40)	23 of the Top 40 are Republicans. 17 are Democrats.
Top 41-60: The average increase in net worth in the Top 60 was 173% a year; for those in spots 41-60, it was 42%.[24]
Suzanne Bonamici (D-OR)
Richard Burr(R-NC)
Alan Lowenthal (D-CA)
Matt Salmon(R-AZ)
Sheila Jackson Lee(D-TX)
John Garamendi (D-CA)
Mac Thornberry(R-TX)
Trent Franks(R-AZ)
Roger Williams (R-TX)
Elijah Cummings (D-MD)
Ann Kirkpatrick(D-AZ)
Howard Berman (D-CA)
John Olver (D-MA)
Diana DeGette (D-CO)
Ami Bera (D-CA)
Ron Wyden(D-OR)
Scott Tipton(R-CO)
Randy Weber(R-TX)
Brett Guthrie(R-KY)
Kelly Ayotte(R-NH)
Total by party (1-60)	32 of the Top 60 are Republicans. 28 are Democrats.
Top 61-80: The average increase in net worth in the Top 80 was 137% a year; for those in spots 61-80, it was 30%.[24]
John Boccieri(D-OH)
James Lankford (R-OK)
John Cornyn(R-TX)
Jim Costa (D-CA)
Reid Ribble(R-WI)
Richard Nugent (R-FL)
Michael McCaul (R-TX)
Brian P. Bilbray (R-CA)
Trey Radel (R-FL)
Mark Pocan(D-WI)
Bernie Sanders (I-VT)
Richard Hudson (R-NC)
Justin Amash(R-MI)
Don Young (R-AK)
John Yarmuth(D-KY)
Frank Lucas(R-OK)
Michael G. Fitzpatrick (R-PA)
Bob Gibbs (R-OH)
Ron Barber(D-AZ)
Dan Boren (D-OK)
Total by party (1-80)	45 of the Top 80 are Republicans. 34 are Democrats.
Top 81-100: The average increase in net worth in the Top 100 was 114% a year; for those in spots 81-100, it was 22.2%.[24]
David Joyce(R-OH)
John Hoeven(R-ND)
Tim Kaine (D-VA)
Jerry Costello(D-IL)
Dana Rohrabacher(R-CA)
Jeff Sessions(R-AL)
Tom Rice (R-SC)
Pete Visclosky (D-IN)
Madeleine Z. Bordallo (D-Guam)
Paul Ryan (R-WI)
Scott Peters(D-CA)
Jan Schakowsky(D-IL)
John Boozman (R-AR)
Mike Kelly (R-PA)
Ed Royce (R-CA)
Max Baucus(D-MT)
Todd Rokita(R-IN)
Jim Matheson(D-UT)
Donna Christian-Christensen(D-VI)
Morgan Griffith (R-VA)
Total by party (1-100)	56 of the Top 100 are Republicans. 43 are Democrats.

[th]

Name​

[/th][th]

Year elected​

[/th][th]

Increase in average net worth
in dollars​

[/th][th]

Annual % increase
(rounded)[25]​

[/th]​

[td]

2008​

[/td]​

[td]

$40,450,969​

[/td][td]

73,039%​

[/td]​

[td]

2008​

[/td]​

[td]

$2,657,074​

[/td][td]

1,707%​

[/td]​

[td]

2012​

[/td]​

[td]

$2,979,329​

[/td][td]

1,449%​

[/td]​

[td]

2012​

[/td]​

[td]

$208,078​

[/td][td]

994%​

[/td]​

[td]

2010​

[/td]​

[td]

$14,950,520​

[/td][td]

661%​

[/td]​

[td]

2009​

[/td]​

[td]

$2,114,405​

[/td][td]

539%​

[/td]​

[td]

1992​

[/td]​

[td]

$2,406,313​

[/td][td]

521%​

[/td]​

[td]

2006​

[/td]​

[td]

$365,779​

[/td][td]

335%​

[/td]​

[td]

2010​

[/td]​

[td]

$178,596​

[/td][td]

278%​

[/td]​

[td]

2010​

[/td]​

[td]

$162,818​

[/td][td]

211%​

[/td]​

[td]

2004​

[/td]​

[td]

$413,795​

[/td][td]

161%​

[/td]​

[td]

2000​

[/td]​

[td]

$195,707​

[/td][td]

155%​

[/td]​

[td]

1996-2008, 2010​

[/td]​

[td]

$3,188,966​

[/td][td]

147%​

[/td]​

[td]

1996​

[/td]​

[td]

$2,752,664​

[/td][td]

144%​

[/td]​

[td]

2002​

[/td]​

[td]

$224,056​

[/td][td]

144%​

[/td]​

[td]

1996​

[/td]​

[td]

$2,635,243​

[/td][td]

138%​

[/td]​

[td]

2006​

[/td]​

[td]

$704,340​

[/td][td]

117%​

[/td]​

[td]

2004​

[/td]​

[td]

$1,189,060​

[/td][td]

115%​

[/td]​

[td]

1992​

[/td]​

[td]

$686,995​

[/td][td]

109%​

[/td]​

[td]

1970​

[/td]​

[td]

$366,275​

[/td][td]

93%​

[/td]​

[td]

1992​

[/td]​

[td]

$3,864,650​

[/td][td]

87%​

[/td]​

[td]

2010​

[/td]​

[td]

$804,060​

[/td][td]

84%​

[/td]​

[td]

2012​

[/td]​

[td]

$1,399,128​

[/td][td]

83%​

[/td]​

[td]

2012​

[/td]​

[td]

$291,139​

[/td][td]

80%​

[/td]​

[td]

1990​

[/td]​

[td]

$1,380,192​

[/td][td]

78%​

[/td]​

[td]

2010​

[/td]​

[td]

$661,156​

[/td][td]

77%​

[/td]​

[td]

2012​

[/td]​

[td]

$135,563​

[/td][td]

77%​

[/td]​

[td]

2012​

[/td]​

[td]

$10,532,917​

[/td][td]

76%​

[/td]​

[td]

2010​

[/td]​

[td]

$5,786,600​

[/td][td]

73%​

[/td]​

[td]

2010​

[/td]​

[td]

$89,730​

[/td][td]

71%​

[/td]​

[td]

1984​

[/td]​

[td]

$19,106,612​

[/td][td]

64%​

[/td]​

[td]

2002​

[/td]​

[td]

$627,632​

[/td][td]

60%​

[/td]​

[td]

2012​

[/td]​

[td]

$20,513,031​

[/td][td]

60%​

[/td]​

[td]

2000​

[/td]​

[td]

$2,935,098​

[/td][td]

58%​

[/td]​

[td]

1984​

[/td]​

[td]

$14,821,804​

[/td][td]

58%​

[/td]​

[td]

1996​

[/td]​

[td]

$2,629,891​

[/td][td]

57%​

[/td]​

[td]

1988​

[/td]​

[td]

$416,914​

[/td][td]

56%​

[/td]​

[td]

2001​

[/td]​

[td]

$2,343,406​

[/td][td]

55%​

[/td]​

[td]

2012​

[/td]​

[td]

$104,570​

[/td][td]

54%​

[/td]​

[td]

2010​

[/td]​

[td]

$1,208,094​

[/td][td]

53%​

[/td]​

[td]

2012​

[/td]​

[td]

$2,079,350​

[/td][td]

52%​

[/td]​

[td]

2004​

[/td]​

[td]

$2,542,341​

[/td][td]

52%​

[/td]​

[td]

2012​

[/td]​

[td]

$561,800​

[/td][td]

51%​

[/td]​

[td]

2012​

[/td]​

[td]

$86,024​

[/td][td]

50%​

[/td]​

[td]

1994​

[/td]​

[td]

$750,245​

[/td][td]

49%​

[/td]​

[td]

2009​

[/td]​

[td]

$4,297,396​

[/td][td]

46%​

[/td]​

[td]

1994​

[/td]​

[td]

$346,015​

[/td][td]

43%​

[/td]​

[td]

2003​

[/td]​

[td]

$25,640,241​

[/td][td]

43%​

[/td]​

[td]

2012​

[/td]​

[td]

$5,616,366​

[/td][td]

41%​

[/td]​

[td]

1996​

[/td]​

[td]

$702,304​

[/td][td]

41%​

[/td]​

[td]

2012​

[/td]​

[td]

$781,362​

[/td][td]

40%​

[/td]​

[td]

1982​

[/td]​

[td]

$1,939,667​

[/td][td]

40%​

[/td]​

[td]

1991​

[/td]​

[td]

$2,648,294​

[/td][td]

40%​

[/td]​

[td]

1996​

[/td]​

[td]

$1,444,000​

[/td][td]

40%​

[/td]​

[td]

2012​

[/td]​

[td]

$1,437,149​

[/td][td]

39%​

[/td]​

[td]

1996​

[/td]​

[td]

$5,504,912​

[/td][td]

39%​

[/td]​

[td]

2010​

[/td]​

[td]

$3,366,748​

[/td][td]

37%​

[/td]​

[td]

2012​

[/td]​

[td]

$220,074​

[/td][td]

36%​

[/td]​

[td]

2008​

[/td]​

[td]

$884,543​

[/td][td]

36%​

[/td]​

[td]

2010​

[/td]​

[td]

$496,403​

[/td][td]

36%​

[/td]​

[td]

2008​

[/td]​

[td]

$218,075​

[/td][td]

36%​

[/td]​

[td]

2010​

[/td]​

[td]

$120,497​

[/td][td]

35%​

[/td]​

[td]

2002​

[/td]​

[td]

$511,937​

[/td][td]

34%​

[/td]​

[td]

2004​

[/td]​

[td]

$2,804,672​

[/td][td]

34%​

[/td]​

[td]

2010​

[/td]​

[td]

$1,710,369​

[/td][td]

31%​

[/td]​

[td]

2010​

[/td]​

[td]

$556,807​

[/td][td]

31%​

[/td]​

[td]

2004​

[/td]​

[td]

$101,614,818​

[/td][td]

31%​

[/td]​

[td]

1995-2001, 2006-2013​

[/td]​

[td]

$1,156,068​

[/td][td]

31%​

[/td]​

[td]

2012​

[/td]​

[td]

$935,007​

[/td][td]

30%​

[/td]​

[td]

2012​

[/td]​

[td]

$176,039​

[/td][td]

30%​

[/td]​

[td]

2006​

[/td]​

[td]

$320,123​

[/td][td]

29%​

[/td]​

[td]

2012​

[/td]​

[td]

$37,302​

[/td][td]

28%​

[/td]​

[td]

2010​

[/td]​

[td]

$700,625​

[/td][td]

28%​

[/td]​

[td]

1973​

[/td]​

[td]

$600,853​

[/td][td]

28%​

[/td]​

[td]

2006​

[/td]​

[td]

$13,202,242​

[/td][td]

28%​

[/td]​

[td]

1994​

[/td]​

[td]

$1,074,682​

[/td][td]

27%​

[/td]​

[td]

2005-2006, 2010​

[/td]​

[td]

$296,135​

[/td][td]

26%​

[/td]​

[td]

2010​

[/td]​

[td]

$694,262​

[/td][td]

26%​

[/td]​

[td]

2012​

[/td]​

[td]

$237,624​

[/td][td]

26%​

[/td]​

[td]

2004​

[/td]​

[td]

$1,479,090​

[/td][td]

26%​

[/td]​

[td]

2012​

[/td]​

[td]

$862,513​

[/td][td]

25%​

[/td]​

[td]

2010​

[/td]​

[td]

$15,700,072​

[/td][td]

24%​

[/td]​

[td]

2012​

[/td]​

[td]

$269,522​

[/td][td]

24%​

[/td]​

[td]

1988​

[/td]​

[td]

$702,191​

[/td][td]

24%​

[/td]​

[td]

1988​

[/td]​

[td]

$99,182​

[/td][td]

24%​

[/td]​

[td]

1996​

[/td]​

[td]

$4,589,580​

[/td][td]

23%​

[/td]​

[td]

2012​

[/td]​

[td]

$1,010,090​

[/td][td]

23%​

[/td]​

[td]

1984​

[/td]​

[td]

$873,376​

[/td][td]

23%​

[/td]​

[td]

2002​

[/td]​

[td]

$3,296,405​

[/td][td]

22%​

[/td]​

[td]

1998​

[/td]​

[td]

$3,455,342​

[/td][td]

22%​

[/td]​

[td]

2012​

[/td]​

[td]

$20,248,262​

[/td][td]

22%​

[/td]​

[td]

1998​

[/td]​

[td]

$149,707​

[/td][td]

22%​

[/td]​

[td]

2010​

[/td]​

[td]

$2,259,240​

[/td][td]

22%​

[/td]​

[td]

2010​

[/td]​

[td]

$5,444,290​

[/td][td]

21%​

[/td]​

[td]

1992​

[/td]​

[td]

$243,438​

[/td][td]

21%​

[/td]​

[td]

1978​

[/td]​

[td]

$322,591​

[/td][td]

21%​

[/td]​

[td]

2010​

[/td]​

[td]

$283,402​

[/td][td]

21%​

[/td]​

[td]

2000​

[/td]​

[td]

$1,112,497​

[/td][td]

20%​

[/td]​

[td]

1996​

[/td]​

[td]

$400,730​

[/td][td]

20%​

[/td]​

[td]

2010​

[/td]​

[td]

$87,488​

[/td][td]

20%​

[/td]​

 

[robertk]

Ok that cut and paste didn’t work well. (It looked great until I hit “post”). But you can still get the gist (and the names) from the first column that did post correctly.