Whiskey Springs Maps

[cuzimloony]

Talking about secrecy. If Waltz wanted to give the mine to Julia and Holmes, then he just could tell them the exact distance and orientation from Weaver's Needle, and not a 2,5 mile radius from WN. The clues were/are correct but very hard to recognize in a maze of hills and boulders.
Sometimes the solve is in front of us but we have not the imagination and the skills to recognize it. We still reject the obvious in exchange the projection of our theories. Nobody search in the way the old timers did, by using the known clues, but the most now are coming with already plans of research based in imaginable clues which have been distorted in regards to match their region of interest.
Have you asked yourself how many times researchers have walked few dozen yards from the LDM? I believe many, and they still walking.

"Plans of research, imaginable clues, region of interest"
More garbage from marcmar.
Im good at Mason stuff. If there is a connection (and there absolutely is at Adamsville), Ill explore it because its what I can best contribute to the puzzle. Other people have other skills. They contribute accordingly. You have none but circle making apparently.
You seem to know where it is but havent told us where so........circles.
Thanks for the tip!

 

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[markmar]

"Plans of research, imaginable clues, region of interest"
More garbage from marcmar.
Im good at Mason stuff. If there is a connection, Ill explore it because its what I can best contribute to the puzzle. Other peopke have other skills. They contribute accordingly. You have none but circle making apparently.
You seem to know where it is but havent told us where so........circles.
Thanks for the tip!

So garbage eh..
Time will come when you will knee and kiss the tip of my shoes. Listen if you want to "see".

 

[cuzimloony]

So garbage eh..
Time will come when you will knee and kiss my the tip of my shoes. Listen if you want to "see".

>"See"
>"posts nothing but blurry pictures"
Pick one.

 

[PotBelly Jim]

You made a statement they "brought in the Masons" or something to that affect earlier. What was this for?

One was a County Attorney for the county in which a gold source was being surreptitiously exploited. The other was a well-known mining man. Both men were Masons, politically connected and useful to the people who wanted to exploit the find without the landowner's knowledge. They explained their wealth and newfound prosperity from this by saying they had grubstaked a lucky miner that had hit a strike in Alaska.

The conspirators thought they had found and were working the LDM.

Just because I don't put much stock in an overarching conspiracy doesn't mean there wasn't one I'm looking forward to reading any future research you have on it.

Also let us know if the Adamsville Cemetery is still intact next time you're out that way...

 

[markmar]

>"See"
>"posts nothing but blurry pictures"
Pick one.

The word "see" was a metaphor for "you will see the things in another way, with an open mind". Greek philosophers used this term: "Listen in regards to see".
Also the word was not used to see "blurry" ( unfortunately not recognizable location ) pictures.

 

[cuzimloony]

"One was a County Attorney for the county in which a gold source was being surreptitiously exploited. The other was a well-known mining man. Both men were Masons, politically connected and useful to the people who wanted to exploit the find without the landowner's knowledge. They explained their wealth and newfound prosperity from this by saying they had grubstaked a lucky miner that had hit a strike in Alaska.

The conspirators thought they had found and were working the LDM."

Wow. Lol.......

 

[cuzimloony]

Below is not my list. It was mostly written here on tnet by Matthew Roberts and from that list I cherry picked what you see below in order to illustrate the number of missing heads and headshots.
With what I'm about to infer, I cannot go too much into detail. What I CAN say is: the character in the Wizard of Oz, the Scarecrow's saying, bears relevance.....
I cannot confirm nor deny anything you read online, BUT .... go read the penalty of the 1st degree of Masonry. See what it says.
It could be nothing BUT there is an excessive amount of missing heads and headshots here (maybe a natural thing for the sups, but maybe not) and well beyond the time when apaches were running these hills.

1896 – A prospector named Elisha Marcus Reavis, who was better known in the area as the “Madman of the Superstitions” or the “Old Hermit” because he never shaved or cut his hair; he seldom bathed and rumors said he was prone to running naked through the canyons, firing a pistol into the sky. Sure that he was “mad,” even the Apache left him alone. When Reavis hadn’t been seen in some time, one of his few friends William Knight went to check on him. The nearly 70 year-old man was found dead about four miles south of his home on a trail near Roger’s Canyon. His head had been severed from his body and was lying several feet away.

1927 – A New Jersey man and his sons were hiking the mountain when rocks began to roll down on them from the cliffs above, as if someone had pushed the boulders. One of the boys’ legs was crushed. Just a year later, two deer hunters were driven off the mountain, when again rolling boulders appeared to have been pushed by someone or “something” down the mountain towards them.

1931 - Adolpf Ruth. 'nuff said.

1937 – An old prospector by the name of Guy “Hematite” Frink was lucky enough to return from the mountain with a number of rich gold samples. In November, he was found shot in the stomach on the side of a trail in or near La Barge Canyon. Next to his decomposing body was a small sack of gold ore.

In 1945 – A book about the Lost Dutchman Mine was written by Barry Storm, who claimed to have narrowly escaped from a mysterious sniper. Storm speculated that Adolph Ruth might have been a victim of the same sniper shooting at him.

1947 – A prospector name James A. Cravey made a much-publicized trip into the Superstition canyons by helicopter, searching for the Lost Dutchman Mine. The pilot set him down in La Barge Canyon, close to Weaver’s Needle. When Cravey failed to hike out as planned, a search was started and although his camp was found, Cravey was not.
The following February, Cravey’s headless skeleton was found in a canyon, a good distance from his camp. It was tied in a blanket and his skull was found about thirty feet away. The coroner’s jury ruled that there was “no evidence of foul play.”

1951 – Dr. John Burns, a physician from Oregon, was found shot to death on Superstition Mountain. The “official” ruling was that the death was accidental even though there was no evidence to support the finding.

1952 – A man named Joseph Kelley of Dayton, Ohio was also searching for the Lost Dutchman gold mine. He vanished and was never seen alive again. His skeleton was discovered near Weaver’s Needle two years later. The bullet hole in his skull was ruled an accidental shooting incident. Once again, no evidence supported this finding.

1955 – Charles Massey, who was hunting with a .22 rifle, was found shot between the eyes by a heavy-caliber rifle bullet. The coroner ruled it an accidental death resulting from a ricochet even though no one with a heavy-caliber firearm was ever identified.

1956 – A man from Brooklyn, New York reported to police that his brother, Martin Zywotho, who he believed was searching for the Lost Dutchman Gold Mine, had been missing for several weeks. A month later, the missing man’s body was found with a bullet hole above his right temple. Although his gun was found under the body, the death was ruled suicide.

1960 – A group of hikers found a headless skeleton near the foot of a cliff on Superstition Mountain. Four days later, an investigation determined it belonged to an Austrian student named Franz Harrier.

1961 – A family picnicking near the edge of the mountain discovered the body of Hilmer Charles Bohen buried beneath the sand in a shallow grave. Bohen was a Utah prospector who had been shot in the back. No clues as to who committed the murder were found.

1961 – Two months later, another prospector from Denver named Walter J. Mowry was found in Needle Canyon. His bullet-riddled body was removed to the Pinal County coroner, who incredibly ruled it a suicide.

1961 – Police began searching for a prospector by the name of Jay Clapp, who had been working on Superstition Mountain on and off for a decade and a half. Clapp had been missing since July. After a thorough search, the hunt was called off. Three years later his headless skeleton was finally discovered.

1976 – A prospector named Howard Polling was found dead of a gunshot wound. The following year another man named Dennis Brown, was also found dead of a gunshot wound. No one was ever found to have murdered either man.

1978 – A man named Manuel Valdez was murdered in the Superstitions. His head was missing and no suspects were ever found.

An unidentified man’s remains were discovered on December 30, 1992 in the Superstition Wilderness area. Cause of death was a gun-shot wound. It is believed the man was searching for the Lost Dutchman gold mine. No suspect was ever identified.
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Gollum (tnet member) in response to this post says he was shot at too off Peralta.

There are many more deaths, obviously, but those not mentioned above seemed normal and natural ways to die in the sups. These deaths above were suspicious and when I count up the head shots and missing heads, a little light goes off inside.
Now I dont see Masons behind every blade of grass and I dont think every clue is Masonic, surely. Its clearly out of place in the standard dutchman lore and I dont want to force it in where it doesnt go. Apaches take headshots, and maybe cut off heads. So can random people in the mountains. Animals can chew through soft neck flesh to eat some brains. Large caliber bullet holes in between the eyes can be caused by .22LR richochets, like the coroners say. Also, not every beheading is a sign or symbol or some group. I get it. However, this seems to be excessive. Too many headshots, too many beheadings...(some heads were even wrapped up in cloth) almost like something has been protected out there for a long time, and anyone who gets close, symbolically (or literally.....a message to those with eyes to see maybe) loses their head.

Anyhow. If I only had a brain.... What was the Wizard of Oz REALLY about anyway..........?