Whiskey Springs Maps

[markmar]

A quick question:
I lived in Mexico City for about a year. (That's not a question)
I still spend a lot of time in Manzanillo each year, as I found my wife there.....(Thats not a question either)
Here's the question: The stone work made by the Aztecs in Mexico, that which survives, looks way more "advanced" than this head. This was my wife's first observation when I mentioned "Aztec" in reference to the head. She chuckled, said "no way, this does not look Aztec," and you know, I have to agree with her.
How would you explain the difference in the stone work the Aztecs definitely made, with this "lower quality craftsmanship" head in the Sups that they allegedly made?
And.....if the head is Aztec, how would you explain the change in sculpting style/quality between here and there? Meaning....who along the way helped them "get better" at stonework in the time between this head was made and their temples built in the middle of a giant lake in Tenochtitlan?
There are serious questions. Im not belittling your opinion. Im actually curious about your perspective.

I got your question. There is a big difference between a skilled stoneworker who was trained to do carvings and statues on temples, and a common warrior or a head priest who were engaged to transport and to hide few bodies and some valuable stuff. They didn't need a craftman in regards to make a simple marker. They didn't want a piece of art which would reveal their presence and origin, but something simple and symbolic.
They wanted their motherland to remain secret and for that reason choose an European-Middle East carving style for that face. That corner shape at the eye is more used in Egyptian paintings and carvings. The face it's not only related to their motherland, but also reveals the Aztec origin which was primarily a mix of Europeans-Middle Easterns and Toltecs.

 

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[cuzimloony]

I got your question. There is a big difference between a skilled stoneworker who was trained to do carvings and statues on temples, and a common warrior or a head priest who were engaged to transport and to hide few bodies and some valuable stuff. They didn't need a craftman in regards to make a simple marker. They didn't want a piece of art which would reveal their presence and origin, but something simple and symbolic.
They wanted their motherland to remain secret and for that reason choose an European-Middle East carving style for that face. That corner shape at the eye is more used in Egyptian paintings and carvings. The face it's not only related to their motherland, but also reveals the Aztec origin which was primarily a mix of Europeans-Middle Easterns and Toltecs.

If the Aztecs built this before they went to Tenochtitlan, then they wouldn't have seen a European face, right?
They aren't some ancient race. England had fully functioning universities while the Aztecs just got in to power and were sacrificing to rain gods. ....and Mexicans in general, in the country at that time didn't venture much into modern AZ, because they would be killed by Indians. It took the spanish with metal and horses to really change that, at least according to Rudo Ensayo.
So, Im a bit confused......
And whoa......
What is all that about the Aztec origins?
New to me......please go on.
Im interested....

 

[markmar]

If the Aztecs built this before they went to Tenochtitlan, then they wouldn't have seen a European face, right?
They aren't some ancient race. England had fully functioning universities while the Aztecs just got in to power and were sacrificing to rain gods. ....and Mexicans in general, in the country at that time didn't venture much into modern AZ, because they would be killed by Indians. It took the spanish with metal and horses to really change that, at least according to Rudo Ensayo.
So, Im a bit confused......
And whoa......
What is all that about the Aztec origins?
New to me......please go on.
Im interested....

IMO, the Aztecs build this face at the end of their empire, when carried their treasure and Montezuma body to their motherland Chicomoztoc. They couldn't built it before went to Tenochtitlan, because logicaly they couldn't know where would end with their capital and state.
Aztec origin was a mix of Middle Easterns and Toltecs. Later Toltecs revolted and prevailed over the foreings, kept what good learned from them in different domains, but continued with their culture, and after united with other different tribes, made the Aztec nation. Actually, Chicomoztoc is Cibola with the seven Solomon's ancient gold mines.
You can read the text written on the Tucson artifacts in regards to learn about the beginning of the Aztec nation. The artifacts are not fake like some "experts " state, but very real.

 

[cuzimloony]

Has the beginning on its back and the future in front.

IMO, the Aztecs build this face at the end of their empire, when carried their treasure and Montezuma body to their motherland Chicomoztoc.

If they built this at the END of their empire, and this face is looking toward Tenochtitlan, as you say, then the past is in front, since it's looking toward their ruined empire. Meaning they're headed away from where this thing is looking......
You're making your own circles again man, but I appreciate the effort. I did ask. Thank you!

 

[markmar]

If they built this at the END of their empire, and this face is looking toward Tenochtitlan, as you say, then the past is in front, since it's looking toward their ruined empire. Meaning they're headed away from where this thing is looking......
You're making your own circles again man, but I appreciate the effort. I did ask. Thank you!

I believe they wanted to show their evolution path, and not literally what you mean. Sometimes things have double meanings and very easy cαn change poles.
There could be hundreds of opinions in regards to that rock head, and you just heard one of them. I could be wrong if someone else will prove me wrong, but until then...

 

[cuzimloony]

I believe they wanted to show their evolution path, and not literally what you mean. Sometimes things have double meanings and very easy cαn change poles.
There could be hundreds of opinions in regards to that rock head, and you just heard one of them. I could be wrong if someone else will prove me wrong, but until then...

I asked your opinion.
You gave it.
No complaints on my end.
Thanks you!

 

[cuzimloony]

On the way to Miner's Needle from Peralta you pass this spot. There is a body buried here. That of a US soldier in an unmarked grave, a victim of the Indian Wars.

 

[cuzimloony]

As seen at Whisky Springs (still going through those pics.....)
They didn't even bother hiding it.....

 

[cuzimloony]

Yep, to this day I don't know how he survived that fall. That was in 1979. He's still kicking and doing well.

Adamsville...a good field trip
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I'm working on that Adamsville video (I hope it's going to be interesting for everyone...) and I stumbled across this doing some research. Have you seen this before?