When Science Shouts to the Deaf II

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I came to know about John's work in 1994. I was working with a group in a scientific project dealing with magnetohydrodynamics and electromagnetics with modified Maxwell's equations.
A few years later, by email, I became friend with an american physicist, Dr. 'J'. We shared many similar views and opinions about scientific concepts. He then told me details about the 'Hutchison effect' as he was working on replicating it in his lab at the time.

1 - This video is a perfect example of how the truth needs to be 'adequately' omitted from the public by the powers at be. When some discovery is found to potentially benefit 99% of the world but will not please the 1% that holds the power and money, it's just not adequate.

2 - This video also is a perfect example of how many scientific concepts NEED to be rewritten. A few on the video are just an example of some. Crystal clear. But then, heck, read #1 above.

But all of this will make it eventually. Evolution just can't be stoped.
Human kind will have to change their bad habits one way or another. Because if not, nature will do for them.




'I am only taken seriously by the military scientists. The academic scientists don't know what to make of me.'

 

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[EE THr]

The key is at 1:22 in the video, "If it can be proven...."

He videos stuff stuck to the ceiling, either with magnets, or sometimes a vacuum.

He says, "They go up, hover, then fall back down." The "fall back down is taken for granted, and thus seems believable. But they are never shown "falling back down." That's because they are already falling when they appear to go "up."

Just make a little "scenery" that looks like the floor, with typical stuff like the broom glued in place. Then hang your little scene from the ceiling and video the stuff as you un-power the magnet or vacuum.

The sponge was on a spring loaded device, and triggered with a garage door transmitter or simple timer. Then he just acts surprised. He used a sponge, because a piece of metal could bust up his equipment, or hurt someone and get him sued.

It goes on and on. But, like I said, the key is at 1:22 in the video.




The same list applies.
Are LRLs More Than Just Dowsing?

 

[TabWhisperer]

So after all these years this bozo has failed all 3rd party verification, cannot reproduce his own claims, and today is exactly where he began years ago. Nowhere. Yeah baby, that's some cutting edge stuff. Bwaaahaaaa! Next thing you know you be telling us about the guy in Nebraska with aliens peeping in his windows and wondering why no one takes him seriously.

Thanks for posting the video, I forgot how funny that was.

 

[Saturna]

Re: When Fantasy Woos the Gullible I


That brilliant video proves that LRL's function.

 

[EddieR]

The key is at 1:22 in the video, "If it can be proven...."

He videos stuff stuck to the ceiling, either with magnets, or sometimes a vacuum.

He says, "They go up, hover, then fall back down." The "fall back down is taken for granted, and thus seems believable. But they are never shown "falling back down." That's because they are already falling when they appear to go "up."

Just make a little "scenery" that looks like the floor, with typical stuff like the broom glued in place. Then hang your little scene from the ceiling and video the stuff as you un-power the magnet or vacuum.

The sponge was on a spring loaded device, and triggered with a garage door transmitter or simple timer. Then he just acts surprised. He used a sponge, because a piece of metal could bust up his equipment, or hurt someone and get him sued.

It goes on and on. But, like I said, the key is at 1:22 in the video.




The same list applies.
Are LRLs More Than Just Dowsing?

And you can prove this....how? Let me guess....the same way that you can prove the moon landing was shot in a studio, right? Give us all a break.... Admit that it's your opinion and nothing more.

 

[EE THr]

Eddie---

It's my opinion and nothing more.



So, why do you suppose that you never see anything falling back down?





And why do you suppose that it's never been proven?





Sniff, sniff....Is that a cigar I smell? Yup!

 

[Saturna]

Re: When Dreamers Believe Anything I

Hey, ever see a magician 'saw' a lady in half ?

(Pssst, it's just an illusion, he doesn't really cut her in half.)




... but I can't actually prove he didn't really chop her from my position, so yeah, maybe these women really are all cut in half.

 

[fenixdigger]

I've tried this, but I can't get anyone of them to get in the box willingly. Any volunteers??

Everybody got their Iodine tabs?

 

[EddieR]

Eddie---

It's my opinion and nothing more.



So, why do you suppose that you never see anything falling back down?





And why do you suppose that it's never been proven?





Sniff, sniff....Is that a cigar I smell? Yup!

No cigar here....if you smell something burning, maybe you..............had a thought?

 

[EddieR]

No cigar here....if you smell something burning, maybe you..............had a thought?

This is a good example of that Pee Wee Herman "I know you are, but what am I" gimmick JudyH mentioned earlier.

Hmmm.....ya "think"? (sniff sniff)

 

[EE THr]

JH---

It is clear that a psychologist is someone who memorizes enough opinions of self-agrandizers that they can make any action or utterance seem insane. They do this because, feeling inferior to all, they think that they need a means to appear superior. This is especially true for the amateur psyc, who never actually helps anyone, but merely tries to use these usless opinions for lame attacks.

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Excerpt from Wikipedia, Rosenhan experiment---

The Rosenhan experiment was a famous experiment into the validity of psychiatric diagnosis conducted by psychologist David Rosenhan in 1973. It was published in the journal Science under the title "On being sane in insane places." The study is considered an important and influential criticism of psychiatric diagnosis.

Rosenhan's study was done in two parts. The first part involved the use of healthy associates or "pseudopatients" who briefly simulated auditory hallucinations in an attempt to gain admission to 12 different psychiatric hospitals in five different states in various locations in the United States. All were admitted and diagnosed with psychiatric disorders. After admission, the pseudopatients acted normally and told staff that they felt fine and had not experienced any more hallucinations. Hospital staff failed to detect a single pseudopatient, and instead believed that all of the pseudopatients exhibited symptoms of ongoing mental illness. Several were confined for months. All were forced to admit to having a mental illness and agree to take antipsychotic drugs as a condition of their release.

The second part involved asking staff at a psychiatric hospital to detect non-existent "fake" patients. No fake patients were sent, yet the staff falsely identified large numbers of ordinary patients as impostors.

The study concluded, "It is clear that we cannot distinguish the sane from the insane in psychiatric hospitals" and also illustrated the dangers of dehumanization and labeling in psychiatric institutions.

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Think for yourself.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Shucks EE, that post only demonstrates the human thought process in defense of it's theories. practices. and egos as shown by our residential sceptics.

Incidentally, with such a variable factor as the human mind, of which no two are alike, just how can you put each into a precise square or round hole? It is impossible, so we have a broad set of rules which in general do work, prob. better then General Medicine's, or efforts to confine LrL's into the presently rigid set of theories, formulae as used by conventional Electronics.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[EE THr]

RDT---

Nope.

It demonstrates, via true Scientific experiment, that psychiatry/ology doesn't have any Scientifid standards which it can follow.

Go to ten different shrinks, get ten different opinions and ten different treatments. It's all guesswork at best, when it comes to treatment. And the Rosenhan Experiment shows that it's all guesswork when it comes to diagnosis, too!

Plus it shows the use of the bandage rather than the cure: "Drug 'em up, and bill 'em out." And you can add to that one: "When their insurance runs out, they're cured!"

The pseudoscience of Psychology is a Megabuck farce. Simple as that.

Just like the LRL scam.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

EE, Naturally, with cause, I disagree with you. he he he

Like all other phases of medicine, there are those opportunists that milk / bilk the public. Need I remind you of surgery, radiation, and chemotherapy actually causing more danger and damage than the infermidad itself?

I have two friends that are Psychologists etc., they are so bound up on the ego and $$ wagon, that I certainly would not trust them with my lovely mule ! But there are many that are sincerely dedicated to helping, even to free voluntary work.

The human mind being so complicated, and subject to rationalizing from past experiences, no two of us sees, visualizes, or experiences the same incidence or happening the same. Since this is so obvious, it is often overlooked.

Yes I agree, in an attempt to monopolize the field of mental health, both financially and egocentrically they are causing extreme damage to our new gene pool of kiddies. I call them the new narco trafficer's, but it still remains that many 'are' actually dedicated to helping humanity while feeding their families.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[EE THr]

RDT---

There is Psychiatry, and then there are people working in Psychiatry.

If the difference can be acknowledged, then it can be seen that a few good people do not represent the subject of Psychiatry.

Good people, wherever they are, should be commended, on their own.

But, technically speaking, Psychiatry sucks.



I just calls 'em as I sees 'em.



I just finished watching all ten parts of the video. Most of it I already knew. Lots of good details in it, though.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

geeze EE & sigh , Judy; I can find no fault with Judy''s post of your statement, it describes the sceptics attitude and stance precisely.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[EE THr]

RDT---

Not at all.

First of all there are only a couple posting in this section who the LRL promoters call, "skeptics." About a half dozen or less?

And of those, SWR and I have stated that we are not merely skeptical of LRLs, but are saying that we are aware that the pseudoelectronics are fake mumbo jumbo. The term "skeptic" infers doubt, which we don't have. Although I don't remember seeing Carl rebut the "skeptic" label, he has stated the same knowledge of the electronibabble being phony, so I wouldn't call him a mere skeptic, either.

Secondly, most of the opponents of LRLs have stated exactly why LRLs can't work as advertised. And the fact that they don't, as evidenced by none passing Carl's test, proves our statements that "they can't." So, it's locked up, and that's that. Until someone passes the test, which they won't.

So the difference is that most of the opponents have used valid, standard, Scientific principles, to prove our point.

While my statement about wannabe shrinks shows their totally un-Scientific, and childish behavior. Which is proven out by the juvenile attitude of Big J's post, to which you referred.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI EE, my good buddy: All that has been questionably proven, is that the human interface has failed, not the apparatus.

You posted -->used valid, standard, Scientific principles, to prove our point.
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the same data, principals would be just as effective and applicable in proving that a standard 'lop-it off-ectomy' was desireable for certain members of this thread, snicker.



Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[EE THr]

RDT---

Not at all. Not even close. Here's why.

If the LRL makers would like to duct tape their machine to a remote control car, and have someone drive it past the ten possible targets, and see if it indicates the correct target, that would probably work.

But if it needs a person to hold it, it's a dowsing rod. Simple.

If it were my test, I would even go so far as to fasten the handle firmly onto the top of a rolling table, with nice big, wheel barrow wheels so it rolls nice, and and allow a person to hold the handle (I guess this would be to supply the mystical "bioelectric power"), and see how that goes.

Do you think that would work?

It's got the LRL. It's got a person holding it. What else could it possibly need?

Well, besides the person being able to tilt the handle. And knowing where the target is to begin with!

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

k , if you say so, sigh. Just going around in circles on unprovable things.

don Jose de La Mancha