What is this (Mexican metal lid of some kind from Southern Arizona)

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Found this on Friday in Southern Arizona at a mining/work camp from around the 1940's. The area had without a doubt been metal detected before but interestingly a lot of the original timber and corrugated steel from the site was still there so it hasn't been completely destroyed/trashed. Concrete slabs where the building foundations were are still present too.
Found a lot of intact screw-top glass jars in the area too but nothing that looked particularly interesting or very old.
When I dug up this item it was heavily corroded with "white rust" I guess and the photos were taken after it had soaked in Evapo-rust for about 2 days and periodically scrubbed with an S.O.S. pad.
The metal is non-ferrous, my strongest rare earth magnets will not stick to it.
Is it some kind of lid from maybe a cigarette box or something? What kind of metal does that look like to you? Maybe tin with nickle-plating (I don't know that much about metals)? Whatever it is it's silver on the top and gold/broze underneath as you can see from the photo. There's a small chip in the plating on the upper left that reveals the inner gold/bronze looking metal as well as the corroded area on the right where the plating rusted away.
Also its engraved/stamped with a scene with a mule on the left and a Mexican man with sombrero and pancho on the right. Maybe a wagon cart in the middle?
Thanks

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Its possibly silver plated brass. I dont know what it is. The image may be a farmer.

My friend once became impatient and "cleaned" a silver beach find of mine with sandpaper
because he wanted to see under the coral encrustation...
 

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bigcypresshunter said:
Its possibly silver plated brass. I dont know what it is. The image may be a farmer.

My friend once became impatient and "cleaned" a silver beach find of mine with sandpaper
because he wanted to see under the coral encrustation...

Yeah that makes sense, I was kind of thinking it was silver too because of the black color. Maybe I should boil it with aluminum foil and baking soda to clean it?
I gotta be careful with the finish, don't want to "scrub" off too much silver.
 

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It may have been a hat band slide. If you will notice the curve and the "slide type tabs" on the back side. Or could be a sliding belt buckle.JMO........NGE
 

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notgittinenny said:
It may have been a hat band slide. If you will notice the curve and the "slide type tabs" on the back side. Or could be a sliding belt buckle.JMO........NGE

At first I thought it might have been a clothing item too but it I don't think it has the correct mechanism to hold a belt or hat band.
I was thinking it was more like a metal lid, sort of like the lid on one of those old asprin tins that they used to sell that were held on by tension.
 

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It would work if both ends of band or belt were inserted under the tabs at same time, then that would give it, its friction fit :-\. I had a belt buckle similar to that, but it was shorter, and that's how me and my friends figured that it worked. I had found mine at abandoned farm house in Vernon Florida, it had the previous owners fancy letter "G" in fancy script engraved into the silver face. Don't have a pic, because I returned it to the family :icon_thumleft: I am going to look up sliding belt buckles and see what I can find...........NGE
 

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I think it is a belt slide. Not a buckle. Just a decoration.

DCMatt
 

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DCMatt said:
I think it is a belt slide. Not a buckle. Just a decoration.

DCMatt

I thought that too, at first, but if you notice the back "tabs" - one side is bent in and other open, so if anything slid into it, it would only go part way through.

It looks like German silver, but that would by magnetic, I believe... (copper, tin, ?)
 

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Thanks for all the help guys.
My buddy dug up a heavily corroded "D" shaped buckle not too far from this piece but put it back in the ground because he didn't want to keep it.
We might go back to the site tomorrow and I think he'll grab that buckle and give it the Evapo-rust treatment.
Maybe if we can date that buckle we could date this buckle.
I can't imagine the site of this work camp being older than the 1940's but man was that other buckle he found corroded so maybe the site is older.
Southern Arizona in general has history going pretty far back (but sparse) so often I never know if I'm digging up stuff from the 1950's or 1850's (can't really expect anything much older than that tho unless its Spanish).
There's so much cans, trash, bolts, washers, nails and .22 shells everywhere that its a tough site to detect. Its not far off a dirt road either and its been marked on the USGS topo map for years so I think its probably been picked over pretty clean. But then again I found this thing so you never can tell. I've got an F75 LTD coming next week and that should hopefully help me pick through the trash even better!
 

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