Wax Seal Matrix from the French Site

[PBR]

Went back to our site today and did a little work for the landowners. We were able to hunt for a couple hours and i got skunked. My buddy dug what i think is a Wax Seal Matrix with a crown and some possible letters/initials inside of it. Was wondering if this could possibly be French and if so what the letters might be. . Please take a look. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks UPDATE: I got him to send me a couple more pics of the matrix the way he dug it. It has a silver wire attached with a square shaped silver cufflink or button on the end. The button is plain with no design.

 

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[Iron Patch]

Damn! That's one quality early seal. One of the best finds yet! Definitely French

 

[RelicMedic]

Man that is awesome!!!!!! I think I may have to vote banner on this. The condition is remarkable!

 

[Iron Patch]

I don't think it is very important as I've seen quite a few, and even owned three very similar to it.

 

[Rick (Nova Scotia)]

Awesome find.
I soooo want just one of those.
IP, and IH have a few each, but I have yet to get mine.

 

[Iron Patch]

Awesome find.
I soooo want just one of those.
IP, and IH have a few each, but I have yet to get mine.

That's much better quality than what we have found.... earlier too. I'd gladly trade all of mine, and the next 4, for one of those.

 

[PBR]

That's much better quality than what we have found.... earlier too. I'd gladly trade all of mine, and the next 4, for one of those.

That thing is nice. i will have to admit i was pretty jealous when he dug it, but it was his turn to make the find of the day. I wish he had sent a pic of how it looked when he dug it. I will try to get him to send me a complete pic. It had a silver S shaped piece of solid wire and a silver square button or cufflink attached to the end of the wire. Thanks for the ID IP. It came out so clean for being 300 years old.

 

[thrifty76now]

Wow,now that is a terrific example for us wax seal lovers.The one I found is very fragile.That one looks very sturdy.

 

[Rick (Nova Scotia)]

Got to say the bottom looks Silver, and the top is still dirty from the ground.
I guess the short question is it Silver ?

 

[Iron Patch]

Got to say the bottom looks Silver, and the top is still dirty from the ground.
I guess the short question is it Silver ?

I'd say it's something like bronze with silver place. They are very good quality.

 

[PBR]

Got to say the bottom looks Silver, and the top is still dirty from the ground. I guess the short question is it Silver ?

i couldnt believe how clean it was when it came out of the ground. It had a silver button and wire attached to it. The wire and button was very clean and shiny. The seal itself had a little tarnish on it, and was not as shiny as the button and wire. Im really not sure if the seal is silver, but i dont know what else it could be made out of, especially since it had to be in the ground for 300 years and came out looking so good EDIT. You beat me IP

 

[CASPER-2]

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[RelicMedic]

Oops I missed the "my buddy dug it" part lol. Still a great find

 

[trapperart]

Very nice find congrats to your friend

 

[CRUSADER]

Damn! That's one quality early seal. One of the best finds yet! Definitely French

Why its a typical English style of Seal, unless you mean the base design?

This type of English Seal was popular in 1780-1820.

 

[CRUSADER]

i couldnt believe how clean it was when it came out of the ground. It had a silver button and wire attached to it. The wire and button was very clean and shiny. The seal itself had a little tarnish on it, and was not as shiny as the button and wire. Im really not sure if the seal is silver, but i dont know what else it could be made out of, especially since it had to be in the ground for 300 years and came out looking so good EDIT. You beat me IP

90% sure its silver, look close for any hallmarks, but some where unmarked.

 

[CRUSADER]

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/today-s-finds/384638-silver-seal-fob.html
Here's mine of a 'similar' style & date.

 

[Iron Patch]

Why its a typical English style of Seal, unless you mean the base design?

This type of English Seal was popular in 1780-1820.

Agree typical style, but I have seen that exact shape or very close repeatedly sold out of France. If there's just as many English made the same way, then maybe they were crossing the Channel. It's also possible having seen so many more out of the UK that a small % of this type would not stand out in my mind, as they did with the French where there seemed to be a lower amount and less variety. It is in my head they are French though, so finding it at a French site makes sense to me, but you or anyone are welcome to make the case it can be either or... and that's not a challenge, I'm just interested to know.

 

[PBR]

Agree typical style, but I have seen that exact shape or very close repeatedly sold out of France. If there's just as many English made the same way, then maybe they were crossing the Channel. It's also possible having seen so many more out of the UK that a small % of this type would not stand out in my mind, as they did with the French where there seemed to be a lower amount and less variety. It is in my head they are French though, so finding it at a French site makes sense to me, but you or anyone are welcome to make the case it can be either or... and that's not a challenge, I'm just interested to know.

The site was an early 1700s French military encampment/settlement. We have found many French Relics and some Spanish cobs which i think were used by the French. Other than that everything else was US 1860's and upwards. Due to the amount of French items we have dug, i have to assume that this was probably French. I could be wrong, but just wanted to explain how i came to that assumption. I have disclosed much information to IP about our site, and he has been invaluable helping me ID many of the finds.

 

[Iron Patch]

The site was an early 1700s French military encampment/settlement. We have found many French Relics and some Spanish cobs which i think were used by the French. Other than that everything else was US 1860's and upwards. Due to the amount of French items we have dug, i have to assume that this was probably French. I could be wrong, but just wanted to explain how i came to that assumption. I have disclosed much information to IP about our site, and he has been invaluable helping me ID many of the finds.

Crusader isn't doubting the age, he's suggesting it could be an English made seal that turned up, much the same way as the French used the cobs. The debate, or question right now is... is there anything specific about that seal that can show to a high degree of probability it is French. I think the style does, bit am not 100% sure without a lot of looking around.... but as I said it's in my head as French, and finding it where you did it totally fits. Also, it's very uncommon to find early British relics at the French sites where I've hunted, however, I have turned up three English Stuart Crystal buttons from early cufflinks, at mixed sites, and I have always questioned if they were lost by the French as it fits the time frame much better. To me it's a French seal regardless... someone may be able to show it's possible it could be English made... but unless they can prove it by the matrix, to me it's French.