Washington Pattern piece - Authentic or replica?

[Diggincoinz]

Hi, a friend of mine has this coin that he picked up in a box of other early 1800's coins from his friend back in 1978 that used to belong to this guys grandfather he tells me. He's sending it out to ANACS this week to varify.

He asked me, but he didn't like my answere. I hope I'm wrong and what he has would be awsome!

The coin does have a couple small spots of corrosion.

I told him that I think that it looks way too precise or perfect. Maybe I'm wrong? But given the circumstances as to where he got it from AND that he lives 2hrs North of Lancaster, PA. Could it be?

I took pics, laying this coin right in the book, he must have an older issue book, my new 2008 Red Book shows higher values.

I'm also posting this in the Coins forum, didn't know where I should put it!

Anyway, here's the coin he has:

 

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[PBK]

This page might be of interest:

http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinIntros/WashGETZ.intro.html

"Sometime between 1858 and 1860 William Idler, a Philadelphia coin dealer, commissioned John S. Warren to strike copies of Getz's coin in silver, white metal and copper."

Note in particular the following diagnostic information:

...the ending of the 2 in 1792 in the copy points upward while the original points downward...

...[on the copy] the uppermost star on the reverse points to the E in States while in the original the star points between the T and the E...

Both of these details appear to be present on your friend's coin, as shown below:

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[Don in SJ]

PBK is right on with the noted differeneces.

Don

 

[Diggincoinz]

Yes, I could see it too since doing some web research. So it looks like it's a replica from 1860 right?

Any kind of value?

 

[PBK]

Any kind of value?

Rulau & Fuld's Medallic Portraits of Washington, 2nd Ed. lists these values for Idler copies in Uncirculated condition: silver, $375; white metal, $125; copper, $135; brass, $125.

However, you can find significantly higher prices online, even for lower-grade specimens. For example:

http://www.mkjassociates.com/cgi-bin/ilgvulot.pl?site=1&sale=39&lot=127

 

[Diggincoinz]

PBK you're the best! Thanks! Ithought it wasn't quite the original.

 

[Mackaydon]

Note also the position of the three stars that start at the first 's' in States and the other two starts, ending at the eagle's beak. In the 'book' the alignment of the stars is less 'uniform' than in the collector's piece.