Want to Trade Up from Ace 250

[Okie-Colin]

Well folks, I have had it with the Ace 250. I have dug my last junk. Pinpointing isn't the problem anymore - it is discrimination. Rusty nails will not discriminate out in the coin mode. I can kill everything on down from the nickels and not get pulltabs, but I can't get rid of nails. I don't want to start a firestorm with those who are happy with their 250s, more power to you. I need a more discriminating detector for coin and jewelry shooting. I am thinking the White's MXT The areas I hunt are not rich in good targets and have lots of trash. Tulsa has been hit hard by an active MDing community and I will need something that goes deep and discriminates well. All ideas are appreciated.

 

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[jeff of pa]

I don't think ANY detector will Kill ALL Nails.

SORRY

Good luck with your NEW Detector when you Get it.

Jeff

 

[dudes2112]

In the 50 or so hours I have used the 250 I haven't gotten but a couple nails, (pop tabs are a completely different subject) must be a difference in the sites we hunt because I can assure you, it's not that I know how to operate it all that well!

Good luck on a new one, let us know what you get and how it goes using the higher end model.

Dudes

 

[JakePhelps]

I have a bounty hunter tracker 4 and i have never found a nail with it except on all metal mode lol. But i wouldnt reccomend it to a experienced MDer as it lacks depth, has no target id, and cant find really really small things. But it is good for the person who ocassionally goes out and detects the woods or w/e.

 

[mike98000]

My 250 never hits on nails. Wierd. Pulltabs same as nickels though.

 

[rusty nails]

once i disc. out the iron mode on "my ace 250" (note mine) i haven't dug one - BUT - "on my ace 250 the aluminum tabs give it fits - i would say it has a slight problem discr. out that item - i am being straight up - i did have a situation where i had a quarter and a pull tab come out of the same hole - talk about a pinball machine / crossed with a machine gun - (sound) LBP

 

[GregV]

Well folks, I have had it with the Ace 250.? I have dug my last junk.? Pinpointing isn't the problem anymore - it is discrimination.? Rusty nails will not discriminate out in the coin mode.? I can kill everything on down from the nickels and not get pulltabs, but I can't get rid of nails.? I don't want to start a firestorm with those who are happy with their 250s, more power to you.? I need a more discriminating detector for coin and jewelry shooting.? I am thinking the White's MXT? The areas I hunt are not rich in good targets and have lots of trash.? Tulsa has been hit hard by an active MDing community and I will need something that goes deep and discriminates well.? All ideas are appreciated.

The new guy would love a detector that that one. How much do you want for the POS?

Greg

 

[hollowpointred]

i will also be upgrading my detector soon(i also have an ace 250). i haven't had problems with the discrim on mine. maybe there just isn't a lot of nails where Ive been hunting.the main reason i am looking to upgrade is because I'm interested in looking for older deeper stuff,and while the ace is awesome for shallow to moderately deep targets,it doesn't really excel at detecting the deep stuff.(its still a great entry level machine IMHO). the two machines I'm looking at closely right now are the minelab explorer 2 (apparently this thing is awesome for the deep stuff but has a bit of a learning curve) and the whites xLt ( very tweakable machine with less of a learning curve and decent depth ,but not as deep as the minelab) keep in mind these opinions are solely based on what i have read and researched and not on personal experience.I'm still kind of weighing the options as well.it can be really overwhelming trying to find the best detector to fit your needs and budget.

 

[Rob in NY]

After reading these posts, I decided to test my Sovereign XS. The test was done in my basement with metal items placed on the floor. I know indoors is not the best place to test a metal detector but with the Sov, my interest is learning the tone response from different metals and in that respect, the basement is OK.
On the floor I have a penny, nickel, dime, quarter, bottlecap, foil, nail, drill bit and a 14k gold band.
The XS signals on all coins and the ring but not the 'junk' items, except for an occasional click over the nail.
Now, I don't know how well this will apply to actual in-ground searching but I found the results interesting.
The machine will actually ignore iron and not coins or gold!
What do you think?
Bob

 

[Monty]

A rusty old nail will leach out iron oxide (rust particles) into the soil and may appear on any detector as something all together different than an old rusty nail. Unfortunately a detector doesn't discriminate out specific metals as many inexperienced detectorists seems to think. Rather it discriminates out different reactions to the electronic pulse the coil puts into the ground. (Laymans terms to keep it simple). You will not find a detector that will discriminate out a rusty nail every time, 100%, no matter how much you pay for it or how good it is. Some are a little better at discriminatioin than others and the ACE 250 is a little better at it than most of the lower priced detectors. A lot of the ability to discriminate out junk is dependent on the operator as well as the detector. You have to take the time to learn to communicate with your detector. No one can go out and find treasure consistnetly without taking the time to learn what the detector is telling him/her. This can only be accomplished thorugh trial and error, time, patience and and practice. Even the most accomplished detectorists dig a lot of junk to find those great items you see posted on the forum. JIM

 

[lonewolfe]

A rusty old nail will leach out iron oxide (rust particles) into the soil and may appear on any detector as something all together different than an old rusty nail.? Unfortunately a detector doesn't discriminate out specific metals as many inexperienced detectorists seems to think.? Rather it discriminates out different reactions to the electronic pulse the coil puts into the ground. (Laymans terms to keep it simple).? You will not find a detector that will discriminate out a rusty nail every time, 100%, no matter how much you pay for it or how good it is.? Some are a little better at discrimination than others and the ACE 250 is a little better at it than most of the lower priced detectors.? A lot of the ability to discriminate out junk is dependent on the operator as well as the detector.? You have to take the time to learn to communicate with your detector.? No one can go out and find treasure consistently without taking the time to learn what the detector is telling him/her.? This can only be accomplished through trial and error, time, patience and and practice.? Even the most accomplished detectorists dig a lot of junk to find those great items you see posted on the forum.? JIM

Exactly!

Rusty iron will "trick" a detector (even a 1000.00+ machine) because,

what happens is, the iron content disintegrates in nails, caps, etc. over a period of time as they/it rust, but the other metals mixed with the iron do not,

this allows a detector to see a rusted nail, etc. as being something it's not,

thus,

you get a good signal, and you and the detector are fooled!

The ACE 250 is a very sensitive machine,

it picks up on tiny objects, and will detect a lot of things other detectors don't,

a little patience, and tuning should correct your problem, and bring it to a minimum.

I like the 250 (my girlfriend has one) because it finds things my Fisher CZ, and my other machines "wish" they could find!

Ever notice how much "jewelry" people show off that use the ace 250, and how "small" a LOT of the pieces are!?

Good luck on whatever you decide,

HH

Lonewolfe

 

[rusty nails]

bravo - l/w

 

[Sweettoothbear]

Yes... I agree with above. Iron leaves a halo effect in the ground.