Wagoner's Lost Ledge

[cuzimloony]

You got it totally wrong if you believe you are that person who will help people to find gold. I meant, if someone would help you or someone else, pointing out in an open forum a spot of gold somewhere, then you will be not alone there for sure.
I welcome the new TH generation who will make more entertaining the seek of the hidden treasures in those mountains full of mystery and secrets.

I am not trying to help anyone find gold. Well, not true. I want to find gold, for me.
But this video was not to help people find gold.....so to speak. I had zero desire to start a youtube channel, although now, admittedly, Im enjoying the process and will probably enjoy doing more. I made the video FOR THIS THREAD. You can hear me talking to YOU GUYS in the video, clearly not made for the masses. Its not really entertainment, although in my efforts to a) drown out my babbling and b) speed up the hike so it wasn't an 8 hour video, that, I added some entertaining elements to not bore you do death. Not only that, The Wagoner's Ledge was the first treasure story told to me by a local who not only took me under his wing, but was interested in finding it himself (besides the typical dutchman/peralta stories) and I have a lot of respect for said local.
So, Im interested, very interested, in this story.
Also.....I read the lore, see the threads and watch people going in circles and.....IM ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE, reading the same stories over and over that go nowhere. BUT I have the ability to go out there, weekly if I want to, to SEE FOR MYSELF. So.....why not? And why not contribute whatever I can to the community in an effort to STOP GOING IN CIRCLES. I want to contribute to the pool of knowledge, and not in a chopped-up, blacked-out obfuscated google earth image kind-of-way. These videos can eliminate, or open up, possibilities for many more than just me, and Im not gold greedy. I am fully aware that "TH experts" may see my videos, see something that I dont, and act, in some unexpected way, be it going for the gold, or coming for me. I don't scare too easily (expert marksman in the Navy) and Im quite beligerant, high energy and rowdy. Its short guy thing. I dont expect to find gold anyway even though I keep as keen an eye as this easterner can in these "mountains full of mysteries and secrets." Things become less mysterious when you live there..... I can see the Sups from my house if I go upstairs. Keep in mind, the history channel made a drivable path look like a 3 day, mule-laden journey. Authours do the same types of exaggerations in their books. A lot of this "mystery" is MANUFACTURED. (....but why is the question??...another thread...)
So in a way..... I am the Wagoner, an easterner from Pennsylvania, finding life and health, hiking the Sups....but Im smart enough to bring gallons of water, salt tabs, hiking shoes, trekking poles, extra food, and gear that will hopefully keep me alive should I need it to, IN A BACKPACK. I just need to find that gold to complete the analogy.....

 

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[PotBelly Jim]

I'd sure like it if you kept making videos, you seem to have a knack for it. The video you made was pretty dang good. I'm not one that has the patience to watch YT vids, ever. It's just not my thing. I think part of it is I get antsy being held hostage to whatever it is that someone wants me to watch. I was the same way in school, having to sit there and listen to the teacher. Just rubs me the wrong way.

When I saw how long your video was, I assumed I'd be skipping around and watching parts here and there. But you held my attention and to my surprise I watched the whole thing.

So I think you're good at it.

 

[cuzimloony]

I'd sure like it if you kept making videos, you seem to have a knack for it. The video you made was pretty dang good. I'm not one that has the patience to watch YT vids, ever. It's just not my thing. I think part of it is I get antsy being held hostage to whatever it is that someone wants me to watch. I was the same way in school, having to sit there and listen to the teacher. Just rubs me the wrong way.

When I saw how long your video was, I assumed I'd be skipping around and watching parts here and there. But you held my attention and to my surprise I watched the whole thing.

So I think you're good at it.

Thank you for that!
I was surprised how well it came out (its not THAT good compared to real channels), and Ill do more for sure. Im invested now.
Black Friday sales started last week. The new GoPro Hero 13 was on sale.......it's already shipped, with the giant fisheye, meaning, the recorded video quality will improve.
Also........Apple had a sale on Final Cut Pro, meaning the exported quality will also improve. Get ready for high quality, amateur, videos
Less than $1000 is still low budget, right? Lol

 

[markmar]

I am not trying to help anyone find gold. Well, not true. I want to find gold, for me.
But this video was not to help people find gold.....so to speak. I had zero desire to start a youtube channel, although now, admittedly, Im enjoying the process and will probably enjoy doing more. I made the video FOR THIS THREAD. You can hear me talking to YOU GUYS in the video, clearly not made for the masses. Its not really entertainment, although in my efforts to a) drown out my babbling and b) speed up the hike so it wasn't an 8 hour video, that, I added some entertaining elements to not bore you do death. Not only that, The Wagoner's Ledge was the first treasure story told to me by a local who not only took me under his wing, but was interested in finding it himself (besides the typical dutchman/peralta stories) and I have a lot of respect for said local.
So, Im interested, very interested, in this story.
Also.....I read the lore, see the threads and watch people going in circles and.....IM ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE, reading the same stories over and over that go nowhere. BUT I have the ability to go out there, weekly if I want to, to SEE FOR MYSELF. So.....why not? And why not contribute whatever I can to the community in an effort to STOP GOING IN CIRCLES. I want to contribute to the pool of knowledge, and not in a chopped-up, blacked-out obfuscated google earth image kind-of-way. These videos can eliminate, or open up, possibilities for many more than just me, and Im not gold greedy. I am fully aware that "TH experts" may see my videos, see something that I dont, and act, in some unexpected way, be it going for the gold, or coming for me. I don't scare too easily (expert marksman in the Navy) and Im quite beligerant, high energy and rowdy. Its short guy thing. I dont expect to find gold anyway even though I keep as keen an eye as this easterner can in these "mountains full of mysteries and secrets." Things become less mysterious when you live there..... I can see the Sups from my house if I go upstairs. Keep in mind, the history channel made a drivable path look like a 3 day, mule-laden journey. Authours do the same types of exaggerations in their books. A lot of this "mystery" is MANUFACTURED. (....but why is the question??...another thread...)
So in a way..... I am the Wagoner, an easterner from Pennsylvania, finding life and health, hiking the Sups....but Im smart enough to bring gallons of water, salt tabs, hiking shoes, trekking poles, extra food, and gear that will hopefully keep me alive should I need it to, IN A BACKPACK. I just need to find that gold to complete the analogy.....

People searching for the Wagoner's gold, went in circles because dismissed the clues written in Barry's book. Barry Storm had the story from people who lived in Wagoner era and the info was fresh and unaltered, at least the essence of the story.
You can't reach Wagoner's performance to complete the same route he walked in those days, because he had not your modern hiking gear, not your physical shape and he was walking all the distance from Pinal and back.
IMO, is better to think and try to understand the route had followed Wagoner, than to compare strengths and to say " if i have found it hard, a relatively sick man would didn't make it ".
Don't stand by logic, stand by clues. Maybe he was chewing coca leaves, who cares.