Very old china piece

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I found this old pitcher today digging a old 1900s - 1930s dump. Does anyone recognise this Makers Mark? and have a estimate of the age? 20190406_225112.jpg 20190406_215224.jpg 20190406_225225.jpg 20190406_225410(0).jpg
 

Interesting 'porcelain' teapot, this piece dates to the late 19thc. :thumbsup:

“The word porcelain in English, comes from the old Italian porcellana (cowrie shell) because of its resemblance to the surface of the shell. Porcelain is also referred to as china or fine china in some English-speaking countries, as it was first seen in imports from China. Properties associated with porcelain include low permeability and elasticity; considerable strength, hardness, toughness, whiteness, translucency and resonance; and a high resistance to chemical attack and thermal shock. Porcelain has been described as being "completely vitrified, hard, impermeable white or artificially coloured, translucent (except when of considerable thickness), and resonant". However, the term "porcelain" lacks a universal definition and has "been applied in an unsystematic fashion to substances of diverse kinds which have only certain surface-qualities in common". Traditionally, East Asia only classifies pottery into low-fired wares (earthenware) and high-fired wares (often translated as porcelain), without the European concept of stoneware, which is high-fired but not generally white or translucent. The composition of porcelain is highly variable, but the clay mineral kaolinite is often a raw material. Other raw materials can include feldspar, ball clay, glass, bone ash, steatite, quartz, petuntse and alabaster.”

As far as the makers mark goes... if you can take a clearer pic of it, I should be able to research it for you.

Nice save,
Dave
 

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Interesting 'porcelain' teapot, this piece dates to the late 19thc. :thumbsup:

“The word porcelain in English, comes from the old Italian porcellana (cowrie shell) because of its resemblance to the surface of the shell. Porcelain is also referred to as china or fine china in some English-speaking countries, as it was first seen in imports from China. Properties associated with porcelain include low permeability and elasticity; considerable strength, hardness, toughness, whiteness, translucency and resonance; and a high resistance to chemical attack and thermal shock. Porcelain has been described as being "completely vitrified, hard, impermeable white or artificially coloured, translucent (except when of considerable thickness), and resonant". However, the term "porcelain" lacks a universal definition and has "been applied in an unsystematic fashion to substances of diverse kinds which have only certain surface-qualities in common". Traditionally, East Asia only classifies pottery into low-fired wares (earthenware) and high-fired wares (often translated as porcelain), without the European concept of stoneware, which is high-fired but not generally white or translucent. The composition of porcelain is highly variable, but the clay mineral kaolinite is often a raw material. Other raw materials can include feldspar, ball clay, glass, bone ash, steatite, quartz, petuntse and alabaster.”

As far as the makers mark goes... if you can take a clearer pic of it, I should be able to research it for you.

Nice save,
Dave

sorry but the pictures are as good as I can get. The logo is as seen in the picture. Its kinda blurry on the Pitcher. I think there are two animals on both sides near the top, and the last word on the bottom is china as best I could make out But I'll try for better Pics 20190406_225244.jpg 20190407_102130.jpg 20190407_102153.jpg
 

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Thanks for the additional pics, unfortunately the mark is still unreadable. :dontknow:
You might want to try taking a couple of pictures outside in natural sunlight, I'll often do this through a west facing window for muted light effect.

I find that florescent or LED light, as we often have in our homes today tends to mute details of the pieces I photograph.
Dave
 

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Could it be that there is a flag on each side as well as an eagle between those 2 flags? Another idea is to change a picture in black and white, that sometimes makes things more visible to read.
 

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