V.R. keyhole cover

[deepseeker3]

Before the city of Green Bay was settled, Fort Howard was established a mile or so up the Fox River from the mouth of the bay.

Wikepedia notes that the fort was established in 1816 after a successful attack by the British in the the war of 1812.

I found this in that area. It has only the V.R. and crown markings, and it appears there was something broken off at the top where a loop attachment probably was.

The back is unmarked, and it has a silver tan color so I am guessing it is pewter. It measures 1.25" dia for the round part, and 1.6" from bottom to top.

Any idea what it is? Why would it not be marked in any other way? Would this be a badge or decoration for a British soldier? Ever seen this with whatever broke off attached?

thanks

steve

 

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[72cheyenne]

Re: Victoria Rex emblem

Keyhole cover from a lock.

 

[tuatara]

Re: Victoria Rex emblem

Hi Spooky,

I believe that 72cheyenne is absolutely right. It is an emblem of locks company.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Victoria Rex emblem

Hi Spooky,

I believe that 72cheyenne is absolutely right. It is an emblem of locks company.

No its not the emblem of a locks company. The crown and V.R indicate the Crown of England, Queen Victoria, expressed in Latin as "Victoria Regina". The Royal Cypher markings can be found on other English items as well under the reign of Queen Victoria. As spooky said 1837 to 1901.
http://www.martinihenry.com/sovcyph.htm

Good ID cheyenne.

 

[tuatara]

Re: Victoria Rex emblem

No its not the emblem of a locks company. The crown and V.R indicate the Crown of England, Queen Victoria, expressed in Latin as "Victoria Regina". The Royal Cypher markings can be found on other English items as well under the reign of Queen Victoria. As spooky said 1837 to 1901.
http://www.martinihenry.com/sovcyph.htm

Good ID cheyenne.

There is no argument about V.R. as being cipher for Queen Victoria. But in that particular case the locks co borrowed it and used as their trade mark. I don't think an old gal manufactured and patented locks unless the co was crown owned. It can be Enfield co. Please check this link and photo:


http://cgi.ebay.ca/Old-Brass-Victor...ItemQQimsxZ20091129?IMSfp=TL091129217001r1771

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Victoria Rex emblem

No its not the emblem of a locks company. The crown and V.R indicate the Crown of England, Queen Victoria, expressed in Latin as "Victoria Regina". The Royal Cypher markings can be found on other English items as well under the reign of Queen Victoria. As spooky said 1837 to 1901.
http://www.martinihenry.com/sovcyph.htm

Good ID cheyenne.

There is no argument about V.R. as being cipher for Queen Victoria. But in that particular case the locks co borrowed it and used as their trade mark. I don't think an old gal manufactured and patented locks unless the co was crown owned. It can be Enfield co. Please check this link and photo:


http://cgi.ebay.ca/Old-Brass-Victor...ItemQQimsxZ20091129?IMSfp=TL091129217001r1771

I dont understand. Are you saying the lock cover found by deepseeker is an American lock company logo/trademark? It does seem to match your picture. All these years and TN members had it wrong? Thanks for the heads up?

Cru and IronPatch. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,290110.0.html

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,148311.0.html

 

[tuatara]

Re: Victoria Rex emblem

It can well be an English lock where the patent was issued in times of Queen Victoria.

 

[Don in SJ]

Re: Victoria Rex emblem

Without doing any looking anywhere, I say the VR and crown are totally different than the VR patent one and that it is in fact one from England, just like the locks we find with GR on it, think it is GR, been awhile since I looked at mine..........

Ah, just looked at one of mine, Yes, it has GR with the crown.

Don

 

[tuatara]

Re: Victoria Rex emblem

Without doing any looking anywhere, I say the VR and crown are totally different than the VR patent one and that it is in fact one from England, just like the locks we find with GR on it, think it is GR, been awhile since I looked at mine..........

Ah, just looked at one of mine, Yes, it has GR with the crown.

Don

Then it must be times when a patent was issued.

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: Victoria Rex emblem

No its not the emblem of a locks company. The crown and V.R indicate the Crown of England, Queen Victoria, expressed in Latin as "Victoria Regina". The Royal Cypher markings can be found on other English items as well under the reign of Queen Victoria. As spooky said 1837 to 1901.
http://www.martinihenry.com/sovcyph.htm

Good ID cheyenne.

There is no argument about V.R. as being cipher for Queen Victoria. But in that particular case the locks co borrowed it and used as their trade mark. I don't think an old gal manufactured and patented locks unless the co was crown owned. It can be Enfield co. Please check this link and photo:


http://cgi.ebay.ca/Old-Brass-Victor...ItemQQimsxZ20091129?IMSfp=TL091129217001r1771

I dont understand. Are you saying the lock cover found by deepseeker is an American lock company logo/trademark? It does seem to match your picture. All these years and TN members had it wrong? Thanks for the heads up?

Cru and IronPatch. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,290110.0.html

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,148311.0.html

So how are we wrong? As far as i know all that was ever said was it stood for Victoria Regina, or Geo. Rex. Is that not right? I never got into anything about locks because i know nothing about locks.

 

[tuatara]

Re: Victoria Rex emblem

It's not about the locks. As I see it was used on different hardware and even corkscrews. The crowns are a bit different (probably different companies) and that makes me wonder.

 

[Don in SJ]

Re: Victoria Rex emblem

LOCK-ENFIELD Enfield Rifle lock, circa 1861 Crown and VR marks, for East India Company GR and VR under Crown used on both locks and Muskets, etc. Probably similar in marking the old British Broad Arrow on muskets and things? But anyway, I have no doubt the lock plates in question are British.

Don

 

[deepseeker3]

Re: Victoria Rex emblem

Hmmm....... all very interesting. It appears that this one is unique in that it is not brass, is thinner (about that of a dime), but indeed did come from England.

All in all a very old and keeper find. I appreciate your time and input.

steve

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Victoria Rex emblem

So how are we wrong? As far as i know all that was ever said was it stood for Victoria Regina, or Geo. Rex. Is that not right? I never got into anything about locks because i know nothing about locks.

It was a question with a question mark. Tuatara says in this particular case the locks company borrowed it (Victoria Regina) and used as their trade mark. The crowns are a bit different, some say patent and I was hoping you could help clarify this. Maybe Cru can help.

 

[tuatara]

Re: Victoria Rex emblem

It was a question with a question mark. Tuatara says in this particular case the locks company borrowed it (Victoria Regina) and used as their trade mark. The crowns are a bit different, some say patent and I was hoping you could help clarify this. Maybe Cru can help.

I also admitted that it can be a patent mark under a certain rex/regina. It will be nice if Cru could tell what was a patent system for hardware in the UK. Did they require to mark a patent with a ruling monarch cipher? What puzzles me are different crowns with the same V.R. and in some cases word 'patent' is missing.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Victoria Rex emblem

It was a question with a question mark. Tuatara says in this particular case the locks company borrowed it (Victoria Regina) and used as their trade mark. The crowns are a bit different, some say patent and I was hoping you could help clarify this. Maybe Cru can help.

I also admitted that it can be a patent mark under a certain rex/regina. It will be nice if Cru could tell what was a patent system for hardware in the UK. Did they require to mark a patent with a ruling monarch cipher? What puzzles me are different crowns with the same V.R. and in some cases word 'patent' is missing.

I think you are correct that some may be company trademarks. Cru is very knowlegable about British artifacts and maybe he can help. I always thought that any patented lock made in England carried this mark but I am just guessing.

 

[tuatara]

Re: Victoria Rex emblem

I think you are correct that some may be company trademarks. Cru is very knowlegable about British artifacts and maybe he can help. I always thought that any patented lock made in England carried this mark but I am just guessing.
Posted on: Yesterday at 11:15:22 PMPosted by: tuatara

Yeah, will be happy to hear from Cru on this one. As I see it, there might be 3 main possibilities:

- A trademark (that will explain different crown with the same cipher);
- A mark of crown-owned company;
- A patent requirement

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: Victoria Rex emblem

Keyhole cover from a lock.

Correct - Victoria Regina (Queen Victoria 1837-1902)

Green Check time

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: Victoria Rex emblem

Keyhole cover from a lock.

Correct - Victoria Regina (Queen Victoria 1837-1902)

Green Check time

22nd January....1901

 

[deepseeker3]

Re: Victoria Rex emblem

Were manufacturers given permission to use the mark of the queen if they were an approved supplier to the crown, much like they are today?