USA 1815 with some persons Profile (button? token?..)

[itzyoboyandrew]

Found this the other day, wasnt till further examination that i noticed letters around the edge and a profile/bust in the middle.... the 1815 is hard to make out (if thats what it says, but im pretty sure on this one) but i definitely see the USA above the profile bust.

My weird theory: John quincy adams is the bust since he was around in 1815 and in the USA, and he does kind of look like it could be him based on drawings ive seen online of John quincy adams. Oh well, we will see.

As seen in the picture, its very small.

 

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[coinman123]

It doesn't really look like a two piece button, the edge is too squared, and they didn't use two piece buttons until the 1840's (though there were some very early, 1600's and early 1700's blow hole two piece buttons).

 

[itzyoboyandrew]

It doesn't really look like a two piece button, the edge is too squared, and they didn't use two piece buttons until the 1840's (though there were some very early, 1600's and early 1700's blow hole two piece buttons).

Do you think its on the earlier or older end? either way i guess im misreading it.

 

[coinman123]

Do you think its on the earlier or older end? either way i guess im misreading it.

I don't think it is a button, it looks kind of different than most two piece buttons I have seen, which look very different from the side view. It could have been an ornamental piece fixed on wood, or part of something else that is long gone. Is there any evidence of it ever having an iron back, or a shank inside? It may be a medal that was bent by hand into a button or decorative piece. It certainly looks very cool, nice find!

Here are some post-1840 two piece buttons that I photographed for my forth W&E Treasures article, about button IDing. The photo isn't the greatest so I am going to retake it soon.


Here is an early two piece button that I found back in early 2015 (the photo is from the day I found it), the front broke sometime shortly after while in storage, a combination of it drying out/being very brittle, and it maybe was squished, even though I had it alone in a plastic bag away from my other buttons. The early ones from the late 1600's and early 1700's have two holes on the back for ventilation while manufacturing, and always have a copper/brass back.


I don't have any side view photos of a post-1840 two piece button, but the look very similar to the early ones, except the the back is flat, while the front piece is dome like, and tapers down to meet the back piece. The side of your button looks too angler, though it could be one that had the front get pressed in.

 

[itzyoboyandrew]

Got a better/cleaned picture of the inside of the back, its got some sorta grid pattern on the inside adn something has come off of it, and yea it does look a tad crushed on one side.

(the grid pattern doesnt show up on the picture very well)

 

[coinman123]

It does look like a button now, maybe 1850's. Nice find!

 

[Kurios1]

It's tiny old and cool. No idea what you have there but, it's a great recovery of a tiny fragile relic. Well done.