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Developing… . Posted on February 21, 2013 .
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Red Flag News – by Constitutional Attorney Michael Connelly, J.D.
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How would you feel if you received a letter from the U.S. Government informing you that because of a physical or mental condition that the government says you have it is proposing to rule that you are incompetent to handle your own financial affairs? Suppose that letter also stated that the government is going to appoint a stranger to handle your affairs for you at your expense? That would certainly be scary enough but it gets worse.
What if that letter also stated: “A determination of incompetency will prohibit you from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate any of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 18, United States Code 924(a)(2).”?
That makes is sound like something right from a documentary on a tyrannical dictatorship somewhere in the world. Yet, as I write this I have a copy of such a letter right in front of me. It is being sent by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of America’s heroes. In my capacity as Executive Director of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF) I have been contacted by some of these veterans and the stories I am getting are appalling.
The letter provides no specifics on the reasons for the proposed finding of incompetency; just that is based on a determination by someone in the VA. In every state in the United States no one can be declared incompetent to administer their own affairs without due process of law and that usually requires a judicial hearing with evidence being offered to prove to a judge that the person is indeed incompetent. This is a requirement of the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that states that no person shall “… be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law…”.
Obviously, the Department of Veterans Affairs can’t be bothered by such impediments as the Constitution, particularly since they are clearly pushing to fulfill one of Obama’s main goals, the disarming of the American people. Janet Napolitano has already warned law enforcement that some of the most dangerous among us are America’s heroes, our veterans, and now according to this letter from the VA they can be prohibited from buying or even possessing a firearm because of a physical or mental disability.
Think about it, the men and women who have laid their lives on the line to defend us and our Constitution are now having their own Constitutional rights denied. There are no clear criteria for the VA to declare a veteran incompetent. It can be the loss of a limb in combat, a head injury, a diagnosis of PTSD, or even a soldier just telling someone at the VA that he or she is depressed over the loss of a buddy in combat. In none of these situations has the person been found to be a danger to themselves or others. If that was the case than all of the Americans who have suffered from PTSD following the loss of a loved one or from being in a car accident would also have to be disqualified from owning firearms. It would also mean that everyone who has ever been depressed for any reason should be disarmed. In fact, many of the veterans being deprived of their rights have no idea why it is happening.
The answer seems to be it is simply because they are veterans. At the USJF we intend to find the truth by filing a Freedom of Information Act request to the Department of Veterans Affairs to force them to disclose the criteria they are using to place veterans on the background check list that keeps them from exercising their Second Amendment rights. Then we will take whatever legal steps are necessary to protect our American warriors.
The reality is that Obama will not get all of the gun control measures he wants through Congress, and they wouldn’t be enough for him anyway. He wants a totally disarmed America so there will be no resistance to his plans to rob us of our nation. That means we have to ask who will be next. If you are receiving a Social Security check will you get one of these letters? Will the government declare that you are incompetent because of your age and therefore banned from firearm ownership. It certainly fits in with the philosophy and plans of the Obama administration. It is also certain that our military veterans don’t deserve this and neither do any other Americans.

– Michael Connelly, J.D.
Executive Director, United States Justice Foundation​

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XLter: Is this the same as the other thread?

VA saying Vets with PTSD unable to own guns
 

Are you surprised?
The vast majority of veterans and active duty military are conservative, believe in the constitution and are disgusted at the current state of the government. It has been that way for a while.
Look at how desperately they tried to stall, slow, lose and eliminate the votes of the military in the past election.
This administration is TERRIFIED of the fact that they are that way AND have the military training that they do.

As well they should be.
When you are wrong and you know you are, anyone who can stop you is frightening.
 

Ooops , sorry guys . I was taking care of 5 other things at the time . I just recieved it in an E-mail and just assumed it was updated . My Bad . Mods , please delete this post if you wish .

Thanks Crispin .

I'll try to delete it myself if I can ................. Nope . Got to let a MOD do it .
 

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Developing… . Posted on February 21, 2013 .
.
Red Flag News – by Constitutional Attorney Michael Connelly, J.D.
.
How would you feel if you received a letter from the U.S. Government informing you that because of a physical or mental condition that the government says you have it is proposing to rule that you are incompetent to handle your own financial affairs? Suppose that letter also stated that the government is going to appoint a stranger to handle your affairs for you at your expense? That would certainly be scary enough but it gets worse.
What if that letter also stated: “A determination of incompetency will prohibit you from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate any of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 18, United States Code 924(a)(2).”?
That makes is sound like something right from a documentary on a tyrannical dictatorship somewhere in the world. Yet, as I write this I have a copy of such a letter right in front of me. It is being sent by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of America’s heroes. In my capacity as Executive Director of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF) I have been contacted by some of these veterans and the stories I am getting are appalling.
The letter provides no specifics on the reasons for the proposed finding of incompetency; just that is based on a determination by someone in the VA. In every state in the United States no one can be declared incompetent to administer their own affairs without due process of law and that usually requires a judicial hearing with evidence being offered to prove to a judge that the person is indeed incompetent. This is a requirement of the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that states that no person shall “… be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law…”.
Obviously, the Department of Veterans Affairs can’t be bothered by such impediments as the Constitution, particularly since they are clearly pushing to fulfill one of Obama’s main goals, the disarming of the American people. Janet Napolitano has already warned law enforcement that some of the most dangerous among us are America’s heroes, our veterans, and now according to this letter from the VA they can be prohibited from buying or even possessing a firearm because of a physical or mental disability.
Think about it, the men and women who have laid their lives on the line to defend us and our Constitution are now having their own Constitutional rights denied. There are no clear criteria for the VA to declare a veteran incompetent. It can be the loss of a limb in combat, a head injury, a diagnosis of PTSD, or even a soldier just telling someone at the VA that he or she is depressed over the loss of a buddy in combat. In none of these situations has the person been found to be a danger to themselves or others. If that was the case than all of the Americans who have suffered from PTSD following the loss of a loved one or from being in a car accident would also have to be disqualified from owning firearms. It would also mean that everyone who has ever been depressed for any reason should be disarmed. In fact, many of the veterans being deprived of their rights have no idea why it is happening.
The answer seems to be it is simply because they are veterans. At the USJF we intend to find the truth by filing a Freedom of Information Act request to the Department of Veterans Affairs to force them to disclose the criteria they are using to place veterans on the background check list that keeps them from exercising their Second Amendment rights. Then we will take whatever legal steps are necessary to protect our American warriors.
The reality is that Obama will not get all of the gun control measures he wants through Congress, and they wouldn’t be enough for him anyway. He wants a totally disarmed America so there will be no resistance to his plans to rob us of our nation. That means we have to ask who will be next. If you are receiving a Social Security check will you get one of these letters? Will the government declare that you are incompetent because of your age and therefore banned from firearm ownership. It certainly fits in with the philosophy and plans of the Obama administration. It is also certain that our military veterans don’t deserve this and neither do any other Americans.

– Michael Connelly, J.D.
Executive Director, United States Justice Foundation​

Top

THIS is JUST BULL MANURE... ANYONE have a letter from Veterans Administration on this, yet?
 

Are you surprised?
The vast majority of veterans and active duty military are conservative, believe in the constitution and are disgusted at the current state of the government. It has been that way for a while.
Look at how desperately they tried to stall, slow, lose and eliminate the votes of the military in the past election.
This administration is TERRIFIED of the fact that they are that way AND have the military training that they do.

As well they should be.
When you are wrong and you know you are, anyone who can stop you is frightening.

Just BULL MANURE... ANYONE got such a letter from Veterans Administration, yet?
 

Ooops , sorry guys . I was taking care of 5 other things at the time . I just recieved it in an E-mail and just assumed it was updated . My Bad . Mods , please delete this post if you wish .

Thanks Crispin .

I'll try to delete it myself if I can ................. Nope . Got to let a MOD do it .

LOL!
 

VA-letter-one.webp

va-letter-two.webp
 

Is that Veterans Administration...?
Are you serious with these posts?
Or are you so blinded by your sociopolitical ideology that it has now affected your ability to comprehend and see things that do not support what you believe?
 

Are you serious with these posts?
Or are you so blinded by your sociopolitical ideology that it has now affected your ability to comprehend and see things that do not support what you believe?

Just answer the damn question...
 

Just answer the damn question...
Read the letterhead in the first picture.
As for the rest?
I will help.
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is defined as a mental disorder.
The above posts by me relate to mental disorder, their treatments and definition and how easy it is to manipulate if you have control of the very same system that it is contained in.

I am not going to spoon feed you the rest.
This is exhausting and it proves a theory that I have:
You are never going to change anyone's minds nor influence their opinion on anything that you disagree upon as it becomes a part of their psyche, you are only going to strengthen their vitriol and also support those who already feel the same way.

And that's fine.
You see I feel the same way about that fact as I do about the right to bear arms:
Who am I to tell people what to think and how to feel?
I can only present facts as I know them to be true and show you what I believe.
Isn't the freedom we have been given in the Constitution to do just that a wonderful thing?
 

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XLTer said:
Developing... . Posted on February 21, 2013 .
.
Red Flag News – by Constitutional Attorney Michael Connelly, J.D.
.
How would you feel if you received a letter from the U.S. Government informing you that because of a physical or mental condition that the government says you have it is proposing to rule that you are incompetent to handle your own financial affairs? Suppose that letter also stated that the government is going to appoint a stranger to handle your affairs for you at your expense? That would certainly be scary enough but it gets worse.
What if that letter also stated: “A determination of incompetency will prohibit you from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate any of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 18, United States Code 924(a)(2).”?
That makes is sound like something right from a documentary on a tyrannical dictatorship somewhere in the world. Yet, as I write this I have a copy of such a letter right in front of me. It is being sent by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of America’s heroes. In my capacity as Executive Director of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF) I have been contacted by some of these veterans and the stories I am getting are appalling.
The letter provides no specifics on the reasons for the proposed finding of incompetency; just that is based on a determination by someone in the VA. In every state in the United States no one can be declared incompetent to administer their own affairs without due process of law and that usually requires a judicial hearing with evidence being offered to prove to a judge that the person is indeed incompetent. This is a requirement of the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that states that no person shall “... be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law...”.
Obviously, the Department of Veterans Affairs can’t be bothered by such impediments as the Constitution, particularly since they are clearly pushing to fulfill one of Obama’s main goals, the disarming of the American people. Janet Napolitano has already warned law enforcement that some of the most dangerous among us are America’s heroes, our veterans, and now according to this letter from the VA they can be prohibited from buying or even possessing a firearm because of a physical or mental disability.
Think about it, the men and women who have laid their lives on the line to defend us and our Constitution are now having their own Constitutional rights denied. There are no clear criteria for the VA to declare a veteran incompetent. It can be the loss of a limb in combat, a head injury, a diagnosis of PTSD, or even a soldier just telling someone at the VA that he or she is depressed over the loss of a buddy in combat. In none of these situations has the person been found to be a danger to themselves or others. If that was the case than all of the Americans who have suffered from PTSD following the loss of a loved one or from being in a car accident would also have to be disqualified from owning firearms. It would also mean that everyone who has ever been depressed for any reason should be disarmed. In fact, many of the veterans being deprived of their rights have no idea why it is happening.
The answer seems to be it is simply because they are veterans. At the USJF we intend to find the truth by filing a Freedom of Information Act request to the Department of Veterans Affairs to force them to disclose the criteria they are using to place veterans on the background check list that keeps them from exercising their Second Amendment rights. Then we will take whatever legal steps are necessary to protect our American warriors.
The reality is that Obama will not get all of the gun control measures he wants through Congress, and they wouldn’t be enough for him anyway. He wants a totally disarmed America so there will be no resistance to his plans to rob us of our nation. That means we have to ask who will be next. If you are receiving a Social Security check will you get one of these letters? Will the government declare that you are incompetent because of your age and therefore banned from firearm ownership. It certainly fits in with the philosophy and plans of the Obama administration. It is also certain that our military veterans don’t deserve this and neither do any other Americans.

– Michael Connelly, J.D.
Executive Director, United States Justice Foundation​

Top

Check out the United States justice foundation. This guys is fishing for donations pure and simple.
 

Read the letterhead in the first picture.
As for the rest?
I will help.
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is defined as a mental disorder.
The above posts by me relate to mental disorder, their treatments and definition and how easy it is to manipulate if you have control of the very same system that it is contained in.

I am not going to spoon feed you the rest.
This is exhausting and it proves a theory that I have:
You are never going to change anyone's minds nor influence their opinion on anything that you disagree upon as it becomes a part of their psyche, you are only going to strengthen their vitriol and also support those who already feel the same way.

And that's fine.
You see I feel the same way about that fact as I do about the right to bear arms:
Who am I to tell people what to think and how to feel?
I can only present facts as I know them to be true and show you what I believe.
Isn't the freedom we have been given in the Constitution to do just that a wonderful thing?

Critical Recovery: I strongly suggest you stand down. If you look through previous threads you will discover that Rebel and I are not just the experts for PTSD on TNET; but, we are also the experts on PTSD in our respective states. You go after Rebel on PTSD then you are going after me. I'm not trying to threaten...I'm just letting you know that you are talking to the people who have treated thousands of vets with PTSD and continue to treat them daily. Tread lightly. Best if you find another thread to banter back and forth on.

Peace be with you friend,
Crispin
 

Critical Recovery: I strongly suggest you stand down. If you look through previous threads you will discover that Rebel and I are not just the experts for PTSD on TNET; but, we are also the experts on PTSD in our respective states. You go after Rebel on PTSD then you are going after me. I'm not trying to threaten...I'm just letting you know that you are talking to the people who have treated thousands of vets with PTSD and continue to treat them daily. Tread lightly. Best if you find another thread to banter back and forth on.

Peace be with you friend,
Crispin

1. "expert" away!
2. I really don't care what you do, nor where you do it.
3. The fact that you seriously just used the "you mess with him you are messing with me" argument speaks volumes.
4. No.
5. Your experience makes your opinion on any issue no more or less valid than mine.
6. um, no.
7. Stating the above in a sad attempt to nullify facts as I present them should raise suspicion of your own ability to discount said opinion and smacks of desperation and overcompensation.
8. No.
 

CR,

Dude.....don't know what your issues are nor does it really matter.....both Rebel and Crispin treat veterans daily as part of their jobs in psychology/psychiatry......for that you and everyone else owes them a bit of respect and civil treatment based on that alone.

Not sure what your expertize is in that area.....appears you're pretty current on bullying tactics but other than that I'm not impressed....enough said.

Regards + HH

Bill

lol.
Oh dear.
What was YOUR MOS?
 

Not sure what your expertize is in that area.....

Bill
You are making a terrible mistake.

That's the neat thing about teh interwebz.
You have no idea who you are addressing.
 

We do not give permission to break our rules.................

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