"Unsearched" ? My name is Billy & I am a Moron ....

[Mississippi Yankee]

"Unsearched" ? My name is Billy & I am a Moron ....

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You know better, I knew better, but i just once HAD to try my luck on a "Unsearched" ? Lot of wheaties. ( Holy crap ... some of you are laughing already !! )

A certain eBay dealer in upstate New York enticed this sceptic into purchasing 25 ROLLS of "Unsearched" Wheaties from him ... He claims these were Bank-rolled Shotgun rolls he purchased FROM the bank in a 40,000 roll lot.
I suppose it IS possible that HE himself did not search these, but you Damn Skippy whoever had them before him did !!

He claims that he wanted to see what he was dealing with when he bought these so he opened a few rolls to see. Just HOW MANY ROLLS constitutes a "Few" ? He said he was pleased to find a few Indian Head pennies ( again with the "Few" ... am I to assume it to be approximate # as the 1st "Few" I encounterd ? Also claimed to have found a Bunch of Steelies ... How many in a "Bunch" do you suppose ? Oh, yeah ... and a "Handfull" of Teens & Twenties ... WHOSE Hand was holding this "Handfull" ? He also proudly proclaimed he got a 1909 VDB ( As Homer Simpson would say WOO HOO !! Big Hairy Deal !! )

Now the topper for me was the feedback of people claiming to have found 1931-S's and such to go along with all dem Indians they were coming up with.

All week long I am looking forward to their arrival & hoping to have enough time for the "Victory Celebration" after I found that one or 2 Key dates that would make me look like Snoopy doing his Happy dance.

"Opened a FEW Rolls" ... I opened all 26 ( 1 was "Free" )
"Found a FEW Indian Heads" ... me too. 4 to be exact ... in 26 ROLLS.
"Handfull of teens & twenties" ? a BUNCH of Steelies ? Find your KEY COINS HERE ??

MY "Key" coin in 26 rolls was a 23-S in G ....
EVERY ROLL had ONE (1) BU Wheatie ... ALL being a 1958 or 1957-D ... guess whoever REALLY put these together ran out of one or the other. 1-2 Teens PER Roll 2-3 Twenties PER Roll, 3-4 Thirties PER Roll ... Noticing a Pattern here

Here is Irony for you .... not like Steelies were going to make my day or anything but, a "Bunch" he found in a "Few" rolls ....?? Hehe ... I actually found MORE Memorial cents (6) in these rolls than I did Steelies ( & THEY were so corroded, only a magnet could prove they were 1943s !! WTF ?? Memorials ??

So to recap here ... what constitutes a "Few" ? or a "Bunch" ? or a "Handfull" ? or a "Key Date" ?

I have already proven what constitutes a "Moron".

Guilty as charged.

Think I will now go for one of those "UNSEARCHED U.S. Coin lots" that promise at least 1 EACH of WL Half, Pre-64 Washington Quarter, V Nickle, Buffalo Nickle, Indian Head Penny, ect. Beats me how they can Guarentee at least one each of these if the Lot is "Unsearched", but they SAY it is, so it MUST be true.

 

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[vic910]

Re: "Unsearched" ? My name is Billy & I am a Moron ....

Thank goodness the world still has some dreamers! LOL

vicki

 

[Gabbit]

Re: "Unsearched" ? My name is Billy & I am a Moron ....

If something sounds to go to be true -- it usually is. Got ripped off for $500 bucks on ebay -- just a word of advice never ever ever pay for something via money order -- if someone wants my money they are going to have to be set up with paypal -- that way I have some sort of protection.

 

[lonewolfe]

Re: "Unsearched" ? My name is Billy & I am a Moron ....

?
You know better, I knew better, but i just once HAD to try my luck on a "Unsearched" ? Lot of wheaties. ( Holy crap ... some of you are laughing already !! )?

A certain eBay dealer in upstate New York enticed this sceptic into purchasing 25 ROLLS of "Unsearched" Wheaties from him ... He claims these were Bank-rolled Shotgun rolls he purchased FROM the bank in a 40,000 roll lot.
I suppose it IS possible that HE himself did not search these, but you Damn Skippy whoever had them before him did !!

He claims that he wanted to see what he was dealing with when he bought these so he opened a few rolls to see. Just HOW MANY ROLLS constitutes a "Few" ? He said he was pleased to find a few Indian Head pennies ( again with the "Few" ... am I to assume it to be approximate # as the 1st "Few" I encounterd ? Also claimed to have found a Bunch of Steelies ... How many in a "Bunch" do you suppose ? Oh, yeah ... and a "Handfull" of Teens & Twenties ... WHOSE Hand was holding this "Handfull" ? He also proudly proclaimed he got a 1909 VDB ( As Homer Simpson would say WOO HOO !! Big Hairy Deal !!? )

Now the topper for me was the feedback of people claiming to have found 1931-S's and such to go along with all dem Indians they were coming up with.

All week long I am looking forward to their arrival & hoping to have enough time for the "Victory Celebration" after I found that one or 2 Key dates that would make me look like Snoopy doing his Happy dance.

"Opened a FEW Rolls" ... I opened all 26 ( 1 was "Free" )
"Found a FEW Indian Heads" ... me too. 4 to be exact ... in 26 ROLLS.
"Handfull of teens & twenties" ? a BUNCH of Steelies ? Find your KEY COINS HERE ??

MY "Key" coin in 26 rolls was a 23-S in G ....
EVERY ROLL had ONE (1) BU Wheatie ... ALL being a 1958 or 1957-D ... guess whoever REALLY put these together ran out of one or the other. 1-2 Teens PER Roll 2-3 Twenties PER Roll, 3-4 Thirties PER Roll ... Noticing a Pattern here

Here is Irony for you .... not like Steelies were going to make my day or anything but, a "Bunch" he found in a "Few" rolls ....?? Hehe ... I actually found MORE Memorial cents (6) in these rolls than I did Steelies? ( & THEY were so corroded, only a magnet could prove they were 1943s !! WTF ?? Memorials ??

So to recap here ... what constitutes a "Few" ? or a "Bunch" ? or a "Handfull" ? or a "Key Date" ?

I have already proven what constitutes a "Moron".

Guilty as charged.

Think I will now go for one of those "UNSEARCHED U.S. Coin lots" that promise at least 1 EACH of WL Half, Pre-64 Washington Quarter, V Nickle, Buffalo Nickle, Indian Head Penny, ect. Beats me how they can Guarentee at least one each of these if the Lot is "Unsearched", but they SAY it is, so it MUST be true.??

LOL!

You can plainly see that those so called "bank rapped" rolls are just someone rolling them with a "machine"!

Don't ever buy those!

Buy the collections from estates of passed away family members, etc. & with lower feedback scores that don't sell coins for a living because (some people truly don't know crap about coins) and sell off collections with coins worth 1000s in them without even knowing!

 

[Mississippi Yankee]

Re: "Unsearched" ? My name is Billy & I am a Moron ....

Thanks for the advise guys ..... believe it or not, I have a "Little" experiance on "ePay" ..... The User ID I use the most now is jeterdaman1 ( 1840 + Feedback ... have 2 others at 1500+ ) I sell mostly coins, so I most certainly should have "Known better", just wanted to do a little gambling seeing how the Casinos down here got obliverated. Got what I deserved. I posted this for 2 reasons. 1 for the obvious entertainment value & the other was to possibly keep someone of lesser knowledge of coins, from pulling the trigger, thus throwing away their hard-earned $$.

BTW ... I have dug up only 3 Mercs this year, but they are more "Valuable" to me than the few ROLLS of them I still have in reserve. The ones I dug will NEVER be "For Sale" ... I FOUND Them, I am KEEPING them.

 

[Siegfried Schlagrule]

Re: "Unsearched" ? My name is Billy & I am a Moron ....

True Story - A lady I know came by the house and asked me to look at something. when I asked what it was she told me that she had been to a yard sale and bought some coin books. She paid $5 each and was afraid that she had paid too much. The "books" she bought were whitman bookshelf and classic albums with the sliding plastic. They cost $19.95 to $39.95 each new. Each and every book she bought was full of coins. She bought all the quarter books, all the half dollar books and all the silver dollar and eisenhower books. We rushed back to get the dimes, nvckels and pennies books and naturally they were gone. Some widows are so fed up with the hobbies of the deceased that they just want that stuff out of the house. I've also seen entire collections on the curb the day before garbage day. They don't stay there long but keep your eyes open. exanimo, ss

 

[lonewolfe]

Re: "Unsearched" ? My name is Billy & I am a Moron ....

If something sounds to go to be true -- it usually is.? Got ripped off for $500 bucks on ebay -- just a word of advice never ever ever pay for something via money order -- if someone wants my money they are going to have to be set up with paypal -- that way I have some sort of protection.?

I feel your 'pain' Gabbit,

in 1999 when epay was still young with hardly any security in place, and no protection for buyers, I too was taken in a scam for over $500

a guy from IL (who is now in prison) with the ID of Bullion_one was running bullion gold auctions (dutch) buy as many coins as you wish up to 200 or 300 coins (and had dozens of auctions running at the same time) with all denominations ($5 - $10 - $25 - $50)... Gold was $350+ per ounce at that time...

Turns out that after running these dutch auctions 24/7 for over 3 weeks

the guy was just collecting the $$ and not shipping anything to anyone!

When he was caught & stopped/shut down, he had taken epayers for over 1/2 a million U.S. dollars,

He was forced by the FBI & court to refund everyone in order from 1st to last

well,

guess who 'didn't' get a refund before he ran out of $$ because of spending 1/2 of it before being caught??

Some people lost 10s of 1000s of $$ and were never reimbursed

there was an ebay board set up specifically for the victims of this scam and it was up & running for 2+ yrs, and some people on there had spent $30,000 to $40,000 dollars a piece but never seen their money again...

 

[Mississippi Yankee]

Re: "Unsearched" ? My name is Billy & I am a Moron ....

PayPal was the single-most ( IMO ) best thing to ever happen to Internet Auctions ( For sellers AND buyers ) . Is it ANY wonder why ePay BOUGHT them out a few years ago ? ( not to mention PayPal was kicking eBay's own Internet payment site's butt !! ) When buying anything from any eBay seller, one rule of mine is "No PayPal, No bid" !!? I too accept PayPal. Sometimes my items get paid for before I even know they were sold !!?

 

[gunner6170]

Re: "Unsearched" ? My name is Billy & I am a Moron ....


While I sell on EBay once in a while, i normally just buy from there.
And like someone else said, if they don't use PayPal, I don't purchase
from them. Besides that, the credit card protection is another back-up,
to me.
On a side note, i'm sure lots of folks on here use Ebay to buy and sell.
While i normally don't sell a lot, i am the president of a local coin club.
A lot of folks where i work come to me when they inherit coins from a
loved one and are looking to sell them. I do have a couple of folks that i
am currently going thru their coins right now for them. For one person,
i have several thousands of their coins at my house! Boxes and boxes and
boxes full!! So if anyone is looking for something from the early 1900s on up,
give me a shout if you want something in particular. One thing I do before i
look thru anyones coins is have them send me a list of exactly what they have,
that way, there's no way doubt when i give them their coins back that they
got them all, but its also easier for me to sell for them, which is what frequently
happens. All these folks want is a fair deal and normally a heckuva lot cheaper than
a dealer! So lemme know if i can help them sell while helping you buy! And all i ask
is courtesy, no middle man charge here! I get my payment when they sell me coins
at a discount for the hours and hours spent grading and going thru their collections.

 

[Gabbit]

Re: "Unsearched" ? My name is Billy & I am a Moron ....

Sorry to hear that Lone Wolf -- I am sure people continue to get ripped off every day on different EBay scams -- Still a great place to get a killer deal on just about anything.

Gunner -- that's a great service you provide -- good for you!

 

[lonewolfe]

Re: "Unsearched" ? My name is Billy & I am a Moron ....

PayPal was the single-most ( IMO ) best thing to ever happen to Internet Auctions ( For sellers AND buyers ) . Is it ANY wonder why ePay BOUGHT them out a few years ago ? ( not to mention PayPal was kicking eBay's own Internet payment site's butt !! ) When buying anything from any eBay seller, one rule of mine is "No PayPal, No bid" !!? I too accept PayPal. Sometimes my items get paid for before I even know they were sold !!?

Paypal was the BEST thing to happen for "buyers & professional scam artist" period.

"Sellers" on the other hand are stuck paying ungodly fees for using the service to receive payments AND

just do a single transaction once to where you sell a high dollar item (say $1000 to $5000 or more once) and then have a buyer screw you out of that money by pulling a paypal scam

(example)

I know a guy that sold a piece of antique Victorian furniture for $2200+ a few yrs back (when you had to ship to a "confirmed address" to be protected as a seller against this type of scam) but, what happened was, the buyer paid, the seller shipped the item to the buyer (fully insured, with tracking #s and signature confirmation) well, when the buyer received the item, he then did a charge back thru paypal claiming that someone used his credit card "unlawfully" and since the seller shipped the item to an "unconfirmed address", payenemy made judgement in the buyer's favor, and the buyer kept the item, and the $$ leaving the seller paying 3% on a $2200.00+ sale, loss of the $2200+, and they froze the sellers account until the money was replaced by the seller after paypal took it, and refunded it to the buyer (thus leaving the seller out his money, payenemy fees, and his item) because he couldn't "prove" that it was sent to a "confirmed address" AND because the scammer used his credit card thru paypal (which at that point, paypal deals with the CC company NOT the seller) leaving the seller totally unable to do "anything about it"!

(and don't say that the seller was just plain stupid for shipping to an unconfirmed address because we ALL know sellers that do/have done it, AND we ALL know there are LOTS of crybaby buyers that ask sellers to do so or did before paypal changed the policy just because they were too lazy to get confirmed).

(another example)

buyer bought a coin lot (extremely large coin lot) for $10,000+

paid via payenemy, seller shipped coin lot to scammer/buyer, scammer filed claim against seller & said "item not as described", paypal froze sellers account, and deducted the $10,000+

seller argued scammer was wrong, and presented all facts, auction # to view/see item description, etc.

payenemy told scammer to take the collection to a local coin shop & get written estimate of value on the coin lot, and send it in with his claim,

scammer took the lot to the coin shop, coin shop writes up an estimate on what "they" would pay for it!

Now we ALL know what the coin shop will try to pay for coins from unsuspecting/inexperienced collectors/etc!

scammer now turns in the written estimate to payenemy,

turns out that it was for approx. $6000.00 less than the scammer bought the collection for

payenemy now tells seller, we're refunding the scammer $6000 out of your account to cover the difference in "estimated value"...

The seller has now been to hell and back for over 3 weeks of dealing with red-tape & the scam artist (all the while) unable to use his account during all this time, couldn't send/receive or withdrawl any money, lost $6000 to scammer, paid payenemy fees on a $10,000+ sale and is out "all" of the coins he sent the scam artist to begin with!

(seller bought all the coins for $9500.00 & sold them for just over 10k) but, do the math, figure in Epay fees, payenemy fees (which epay owns!), and the amount they refunded the scammer, plus the cost of the coins for the seller to begin with, and tell me who got fux_ed!?

Dude lost well over $6500.00 CASH to the scammer & epay fees & payenemy fees + was shut down for 3 weeks from using his account for any transactions, was out ALL the coins, and left with $3000 on an initial $9500.00 investment he made to try & make a buck. That's what ebay, and paypal DO to people (along with scam artist)!

Still wanna tell me payenemy is your "pal"!? Or that ebay is all it's cracked up to be!? Ebay is "corporate greed" at its "finest" and cares NOTHING about "fairness, and honesty OR you, and I"...

I wouldn't use payenemy for accepting payments if they PAID ME to accept payments, and anyone that wants/demands that I do accept it before they pay? SCREW YOU, I don't want/need your $$ THAT bad (send me a money order or cashiers check ONLY)!!

Now, for "buying"!?

That's a different story!

I use them ALL the time, and wouldn't buy from anyone that doesn't use them!

 

[ZumbroKid]

Re: "Unsearched" ? My name is Billy & I am a Moron ....

I have a question: What is bidpay? Have buyer who says he is paying with this form. It is not one i list as acceptible. He also mentions something about a western union check or something. It is already over 1 week late on payment. I'm thinking of cancelling his winning bid. Anybody ever recieve a bidpay payment? Do they keep part of the payment?

 

[lonewolfe]

Re: "Unsearched" ? My name is Billy & I am a Moron ....

I have a question: What is bidpay? Have buyer who says he is paying with this form. It is not one i list as acceptible. He also mentions something about a western union check or something. It is already over 1 week late on payment. I'm thinking of cancelling his winning bid. Anybody ever recieve a bidpay payment? Do they keep part of the payment?

DON'T EVER accept western union payments, you can/will be scammed in a heartbeat. It's one of the BIGGEST scam venues on ebay at the present time... (ebay themselves even tell you this)!

Bidpay is owned by ebay too I believe (or used to be) and yes, there is a "flat fee" for using it, You'd have to set up an account with them before you can accept payments from/through them...

I used to have one of those accounts too before payenemy came along but everyone started using paypal so I closed that one & then closed my payenemy account a few yrs later. Haven't had either for over 2 yrs now, and only accept MO's & cashiers checks for items I sell!

They are the ONLY 2 forms of "guaranteed payment" free of scams and false claims the scammers use (to where YOU the seller, will NOT be charged OR have your money taken away from you AND lose your item/s at the same time)- as long as they send it to you, and it clears your bank account!

good luck

lonewolfe

 

[JakePhelps]

Re: "Unsearched" ? My name is Billy & I am a Moron ....

Did you report this guy the ebay? Also post him name so noone buys from him again

 

[Mississippi Yankee]

Re: "Unsearched" ? My name is Billy & I am a Moron ....

Did you report this guy the ebay? Also post him name so noone buys from him again

That's what "Feedback" is for .... and even THAT is a joke !! I have had 3 DIFFERENT bidders in the last MONTH with PERFECT 100 % Feedback,contact me claiming "I never received my coins ..Please issue a refund".? THAT is why i send everything out with Delivery Confirmation !! All 3 were reminded by me that according to the Tracking #s, they DID receive their items ... case closed, but "Nice try". Do you think all of a sudden, that I am the ONLY Seller these 3 Yahoos tried this scam on ?? I wasn't even born the day BEFORE yesterday !!? ?

& Yes ... stay away from ANYONE wanting payment by Western Union !! You WILL be ripped off for sure !!?

 

[lonewolfe]

Re: "Unsearched" ? My name is Billy & I am a Moron ....

Did you report this guy the ebay? Also post him name so noone buys from him again

That's what "Feedback" is for .... and even THAT is a joke !! I have had 3 DIFFERENT bidders in the last MONTH with PERFECT 100 % Feedback,contact me claiming "I never received my coins ..Please issue a refund".? THAT is why i send everything out with Delivery Confirmation !! All 3 were reminded by me that according to the Tracking #s, they DID receive their items ... case closed, but "Nice try". Do you think all of a sudden, that I am the ONLY Seller these 3 Yahoos tried this scam on ?? I wasn't even born the day BEFORE yesterday !!? ?

& Yes ... stay away from ANYONE wanting payment by Western Union !! You WILL be ripped off for sure !!?

Yankee,

you need to use "signature confirmation" to be fully covered, and guarded against any scam,

the difference between regular delivery confirmation (the green slip) and "signature confirmation" (the pink slip) IS

delivery confirmation ONLY shows that the package/s were delivered "somewhere" (which could be anywhere) and, they don't have to sign for the package/s when using it

BUT

when using "signature confirmation"

the buyer has to "sign" his/her name which gives YOU "proof" that it was in FACT delivered to that person "directly", and there's NO WAY they can deny it!

Something you may wanna think about!

HH

Lonewolfe

 

[MUD(S.W.A.T)]

Re: "Unsearched" ? My name is Billy & I am a Moron ....

Hi Billy,

My name is MUD ! E-bay Hmmmm.... E-Bay can be a great place to make money, get deals on stuff and buy rare items. It also can be a good place to get ripped off. It's like any antique shop, some stuff is real and a deal. Some is fake and a mistake. (Hey that rimes ) Anyway here are some tips for E-bay.

Tips for A safe E-bay

1. Don't buy from sellers with under a 98.99% positive feedback score.
2. Don't buy from sellers who have under 80-90 total sales. (Unless you want to help noobs) (new 2 ebay people)
3. Don't spend over $100.00 on one dealer
4. Use PayPal
5. Use your best judgement
6. If someone says its rare it most likely is not, hence the term rare. (Same with unsearched)
7. Prices, If your talking about BU Rare Key dates and rare items that should be in a museum and it's $5.99 with free shipping. (Come on...! What do you think the chances of them being real are?)
8. Most the time, great prices on rare items in E-bay are jacked up real fast because 10's of 1000's of E-bayers what it now!
9. Look for the deals real early in the AM and Late at night.
10. Ask lots of questions like, where did you get the items, when will you ship my items, how long have you been in business, how old are you? ( So on and so on.)

Mostly with those coin lot deals, what you pay for is what you get. Some of them will have a nice suprise in them but most the time you will get average circulated coins. Look for the deals from people who don't know what they have. Look for wrong names for coins. Don't base your search on Numismatic key words. Use common names and terms for the coins in your search. The first two tips above are from CoinWorld the rest are from myself.

Be safe and HH!!
Keep @ it and HH!!

 

[gunner6170]

Re: "Unsearched" ? My name is Billy & I am a Moron ....


I've bought a good amount of stuff on EBay, sold some, too.
MUD gave a LOT of good advice, so do follow what he says.
A couple of things I can add would be if you do find someone
you trust, stick with 'em. I've bought several items from the same
dealers before. Of course, i didn't buy it unless i thought it was
a deal. On that note, most of the deals i've found were early in the
morn, like 2am-4am, during the weekdays. Most folks are sleeping
due to having to go to work, hence why we both mention late nite
buying. But yes, i got ripped off just once... and right at Christmas
time, too! But I followed through with it and even had the guy arrested
even though he was like 6 states away! I sent multiple emails, had the
address where the money went to, talked to the cops there and promised
i would show up for court to press charges. All along keeping notes of
the days and times i called him in case it went as far as court. He ended
up pleading and his family paid the money owed me cause he was guilty
as heck and i was pursuing it. Now while some folks won't go out of
state to prosecute, keep in mind that if threatened that you will also
be seeking monetary damages for time missed from work, travel expenses
(gas, lodging and mileage) plus interest for all of it, that sometimes persuades
them to just go ahead and give the money back. Might not work, but then
again it might. I just know i don't stand for getting ripped off and i hope
no one else puts up with it either! All folks pressing charges will help keep
down the number, somewhat at least, of dirtbags trying to rip us honest folk
off.