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110_0759.JPG110_0760.JPG110_0761.JPG110_0762.JPGHi,I found this military-medal looking object the other day,while I was metal detecting in Ireland.I think its brass,i have no idea what it is,but it looks military.
Could someone please help me to identify this?
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I will try my hand at IDing your wreath. According to Kerksis' book your wreath looks like the US sword belt plate made around 1872. It has a rarity rating of 7. Note how you don't have a space bar between the wreath and the loop. There are very few examples of that. I would consider your find as an excellent catch.

I should have mentioned that the tongue is an eagle with his wings out at 9 and 3 oclock. There is a bunch of stars over his head and he seems to be gripping an ankor in its claw. There may be some other examples but I didn't notice them.
 

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duggap said:
I will try my hand at IDing your wreath. According to Kerksis' book your wreath looks like the US sword belt plate made around 1872. It has a rarity rating of 7. Note how you don't have a space bar between the wreath and the loop. There are very few examples of that. I would consider your find as an excellent catch.

I should have mentioned that the tongue is an eagle with his wings out at 9 and 3 oclock. There is a bunch of stars over his head and he seems to be gripping an ankor in its claw. There may be some other examples but I didn't notice them.
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:icon_thumleft: if you note the back view on the example you describe,it has a slot vs the ears/tabs we see on the one in question,also it resembles the 1855 Navy buckle on the preceeding page,but again,doesnt have the ears/tabs(these are commonly seen on British made pieces)...there actually is an infinate number of tongues that used that motif wreath,without precise measurements of the beltloops and the inside and out,its tough to say for sure what tongue went with it for absolute postive.It being found in another country widens the chances as well,there are a great many of these buckles that were British made that I have never seen in any book

Dug...I laud your ID,and even having Kersis' book,it will help immensly,just look for those minute little details....and then the measurements.....and even then its tough to say,for sure.Many of these cast brass buckles were bench modified/filed to marry two pieces,as the casting process often left a bit to be desired ...for lack of a better word
 

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There were many many two piece buckles made, and they were made from before the civil war right up to and a little after WW1. Many were made for police and fire departments and many more for fraternal organizations. Many were made by the same firms that made them for the military, so without the center piece there is no way of telling what the buckle was. Also note that he found it in Ireland, and the English and other European countries used the two piece buckles as well as here in the U.S. It is a cool piece, but to prove it's origin and use is not really a possible feat.
 

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Yes but there is no marking where a second loop would have went...
 

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Collector, tongue and wreath buckles have 2 parts. You have only one half of the buckle. The 2 pieces interlock to form the actual buckle. Here's an example of the 2 parts.
 

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Collector, tongue and wreath buckles have 2 parts. You have only one half of the buckle. The 2 pieces interlock to form the actual buckle. Here's an example of the 2 parts.
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Yes,I thought you realized that.You have whats called the wreath,half of a tongue and wreath buckle.(that is actually my buckle in the picture :icon_thumleft:)They were used by both miltary and civilian's
 

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Ok thanks.Maybe ill find the other part some day.
 

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Looks like part of a Boys Brigade Belt Clasp/Buckle...cool find 8-)

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duggap said:
I will try my hand at IDing your wreath. According to Kerksis' book your wreath looks like the US sword belt plate made around 1872. It has a rarity rating of 7. Note how you don't have a space bar between the wreath and the loop. There are very few examples of that. I would consider your find as an excellent catch.

I should have mentioned that the tongue is an eagle with his wings out at 9 and 3 oclock. There is a bunch of stars over his head and he seems to be gripping an ankor in its claw. There may be some other examples but I didn't notice them.
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I disagree. Do you think this is a US wreath?
 

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I disagree. Do you think this is a US wreath?
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re-reading my blather,I see it may be a bit confusing.......I do not beleive this is a US piece,although there are some that were "US",that are semi-similar :icon_thumleft:

I have a stamped brass example of this(this one is cast brass),that is "British".Some time ago there was a whole variety of these came up on E-Bay,and I unfortunatly didnt save any of the information
 

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kuger said:
re-reading my blather,I see it may be a bit confusing.......I do not beleive this is a US piece,although there are some that were "US",that are semi-similar :icon_thumleft:

I have a stamped brass example of this(this one is cast brass),that is "British".Some time ago there was a whole variety of these came up on E-Bay,and I unfortunatly didnt save any of the information
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Yep, that was a rhetorical question. ;)
 

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