unknown device,need help

[nahabit]

this is device was finded yearstaday near the soviet trench, period winter '41, may be this is the part from mortar?

 

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[nahabit]

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[nahabit]

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[nahabit]

this is device nearly 20kg of weight

 

[Functional]

nahabit

I think it looks like the mount for a machine gun. I'm not sure which country it is from though. The large circular part that opens up, is where the gun would mount. Something like the machine gun in the picture on this webpage:
http://www.gwpda.org/photos/bin11/imag1068.jpg

If that page doesn't work for you, try this page and click on the picture in the bottom right hand corner.
http://www.gwpda.org/photos/mg1.htm
The one titled: German Maxim machine gun team - contributed by Walter Maier

The mount seems similar even if the legs that support it are different.

F.

 

[jeff of pa]

I agree.

I'm not up on Instruments of War,
But it appears to be a Tripod.
That a Machine Gun would mount in.

Strange the one leg appears smaller.
in 3rd. pic Down

Maby for Uneven Ground.

 

[willie d]

Maybe a mortar mount?

 

[goldencoin]

Well, you said that it was found on a soviet line that dates to the 40's. Thereforefore, it is most likely a mortar mount. The machine gun pictures are almost certainly from the 1st world war. Therefore, the gun would not have been used because it was obsolete. Hope this helps.

HH
-GC

 

[blurr]

Maybe a mortar mount?

I think you are right. This one is Japaneese, but the design is similar.

John

 

[Montana Jim]

Agreed... tri or bipod without the base plate or weapon system.

 

[Ant]

It's a mortar bipod. The tube sits on a base plate like pictured. When I was in the Infantry we used the M29 Crewman 81mm mortar and its big brother the M30 (Four Duce) 4.2" mortar monster, nether used today.

The one you have looks more like our M29 not the M-30.

 

[nahabit]

Thank you guys! Its soviet 81mm mortar period 1937-1941, was used during the battle for Moscow in 1941.On following days off I shall go to search for the remained details from a mortar(tube and plate) and crew

 

[willie d]

I wasn't sure until I saw the half-buried base plate.

 

[Monty]

When I saw the large double "recoil" springs I would have guessed a mount for an antitank gun due to it's heavy recoil, but I guess you already have it pegged? Hope the crew is long departed! Monty

 

[nahabit]

Hope the crew is long departed! Monty

I think crew has a rest in the ground near to a mortar

 

[Harry_Morant]

The Soviets used the 5cm M1940/M1941, the 82mm M41/42 (the Soviets did not have 81mm as a standard mortar calibre. Pretty smart as in a pinch they could use captured 81mm rounds but the enemy couldn't use 82mm) and the 120mm M1938. The bi-pod of the 82mm is very similar to the Soviet 120mm mortar. Measuring the securing ring will answer whether its the 82mm or 120mm.

 

[nahabit]

I know it perfectly. 82 mm the mortar has started to be made in 1935 last version with biped has been made in 1937. After 1937 in manufacture were models with wheels. That that was found by me is biped from a mortar of 1937 of the sample.And here 120 mm? At 120мм a mortar much greater in the sizes shock-absorbers. thanx for the fotos!

 

[Jeff G]

Be careful digging around that baby. Might be some ammo still laying about......

 

[88irocarmy]

As you found its is a 82 mm mortar. What was neat about the Soviet 82mm mortar that it could also fire US/NATO 81mm, but we could not fit the 82mm into our 81mm (duh).

120mm Mortar parts are very big. Base plate woulb be the size of a wagon wheel.