UNESCO Convention

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After eight years of immensely hard work on the part of underwater archaeologists and diplomats around the world, the UNESCO Convention on the Protection of the Underwater Cultural Heritage enters into force.

In recent years, heritage conservationists have used all their powers of persuasion to convince 20 countries to sign on to the UNESCO Convention. Twenty was the magic number needed to put the convention into force in the waters off these countries. By accepting or ratifying the convention, these countries have now agreed to honor several key archaeological principles: the most important, however, is to prohibit any commercial exploitation of underwater wrecks. This means no more treasure-hunting in these waters, pure and simple.

Remember this is only effective off of the coasts of the signatory states, so some are merely a progression from stated positions to a formal international stance as is the case with Spain and Mexico. Some are rather sad, such as the case with Ecuador, where much work had been done in recent years.

What does this mean? Well what it means is that there is very little reason for the private sector to try to work with governments in those countries and although now the convention codifies that it is illegal to "commercially exploit" shipwrecks, Unesco is also not - as far as we know- giving any money to develop programs in those countries, so the net effect of this will be to promote piracy.

Take a look at the list; see if you can guess where the locals will care about UNESCO if they find objects of value while diving, fishing, or in their nets. Yeah right, all this does in these countries is officially turn over all the wrecks over a certain age to the archaeologists, which was what this was all about all along.

1 Barbados 02/10/2008 Acceptance
2 Bulgaria 06/10/2003 Ratification
3 Cambodia 24/11/2007 Ratification
4 Croatia 01/12/2004 Ratification
5 Cuba 26/05/2008 Ratification
6 Ecuador 01/12/2006 Ratification
7 Lebanon 08/01/2007 Acceptance
8 Libyan Arab Jamahiriya 23/06/2005 Ratification
9 Lithuania 12/06/2006 Ratification
10 Mexico 05/07/2006 Ratification
11 Montenegro 18/07/2008 Ratification
12 Nigeria 21/10/2005 Ratification
13 Panama 20/05/2003 Ratification
14 Paraguay 07/09/2006 Ratification
15 Portugal 21/09/2006 Ratification
16 Romania 31/07/2007 Acceptance
17 Saint Lucia 01/02/2007 Ratification
18 Slovenia 18/09/2008 Ratification
19 Spain 06/06/2005 Ratification
20 Ukraine 27/12/2006 Ratification




(posted by Tom Gidus with an assist by Jim Sinclair)
 

Saw the article a couple of days ago.Have you heard anything of the court hearing that was postponed in November & reset for this month concerning our fate in Florida?Chagy,did you get my message about never having met Steve S.Been having email problems.Tom & Jim thanks for posting message.Everyone out there have a grest & safe weekend.Tom
 

Got it!!!!! Thanks....
 

Tom,

Do we know what the US Government's attitude and intent is wrt this Convention? Although the US has not ratified it, Robert Blumberg, our main delegate at the 2001 session where this Convention was crafted and tabled, was pretty supportive of the measure. Do you think the US will ratify the treaty at some time in the future?

Also, what is the US's position wrt wrecks in International waters (the Area, as the Convention calls it) Do you think that now that the Convention has come into force via the 20 ratifications, that the attitude of US Courts to wrecks in International waters will change?

Mariner
 

Maybe Long John Silvers since they always leave a bad taste in our mouths!!!!
 

uh it says COMMERICAL EXPLOTATION * but nothing about scientific explotation. so the archies can have at it all they want --- however when have they ever got funding to just go out looking / exploring for wrecks? answer never *
--and now that theres no legal way for normal sea going folks to profiet from "sharing" their finds that they learn of ---(no money to be made ) just a bunch of hassles and red tape for them to deal with. bet the telling of finds -- do not occur ---

sadly keep your mouth shut and loot the wreck will become the new code of sea going folks will follow in those countries. ( I note that a lot of the counties that signed the convention are poor , cash strapped counties who if they found a real treasure wreck ,their govt would grab up and most likely sell off the artifacts to raise funds.) #3,5,8,12,16 or 25% of them at least .
 

hummm -- so it looks like the US govt is going into the deep water shipwreck research biz by the looks of it -- surprizes me not :wink: wonder if they will subcontract or not. :icon_scratch: think haliberton of the sea :icon_pirat:
 

WD1715,

Thanks for that link. Stay safe over there.

"In carrying out the program authorized by section 12002, the Administrator of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration shall—
(1)
(2)
(3) conduct scientific voyages to locate, define, and document historic shipwrecks, submerged sites, and other ocean exploration activities that combine archaeology and oceanographic sciences."

This suggests to me that the Government is going to take a proactive role in looking for wrecks that will deflect some of the criticism that Governments are doing nothing, so the only way for the public to get information about these wrecks is for THs to find them. Remember, the Government would take priority in salvage rights for any wreck that they find. It's first to the wreck that counts, not first to the courts. Combine that with the US's commitment to the UN (!!), and

tick tock tick tock tick tock .........................

Mariner
 

psst the courts paycheck comes from the grubbermint . --so long as its person vs person you got a shot of winning --but person vs govt ---good luck!!!! --- the last time a case fell in a person's favor was MEL FISHER AND THEY CHANGED THE LAWS TO PREVENT THAT FROM EVER HAPPENING AGAIN (ABANDONED SHIPWRECK ACT ) the grubbermint doesn't like to lose TO ANYONE , they like a fixed game.
 

Nice video,

Very well made and informative! Someone needs to put together a video showing how Archaeologists could work with the private sector for the benefit of everyone. Especially on wrecks which are scattered over a large area or completely buried under sand or mud.
 

consolación coins said:
Nice video,

Very well made and informative! Someone needs to put together a video showing how Archaeologists could work with the private sector for the benefit of everyone. Especially on wrecks which are scattered over a large area or completely buried under sand or mud.
:thumbsup: PS Bill love your book.
Sam
 

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