Ubillas 1715 vessel "Nuestra Senora de la Regla" aka Maria Galante

[ivan salis]

Ubilla's 1715 vessel "Nuestra Senora de la Regla" aka Maria Galante

it is reported that Ubilla bought a small friggatilla type vessel in havana named * mariagalante in the book "sunken treasure on florida reefs" by robert frogfoot weller on page 115--- the vessel named Maria Galante* was renamed by Ubilla to the "Nuestra Senora de la Regla"--it is often called Ubilla's second patache or friggatilla

I believe the vessel maybe be the thrid "prize" taken by Echeverz --"the english prize" --- a BALANDRA OR SMALL FRIGATE TYPE VESSEL (FRIGGATILLA IN SPANISH) the vessel was called the "San Miguel* de Excelsis" while under Echeverz command ( NOTE --SAN MIGUEL* --WAS ECHEVERZ PATRON SAINT)-- Echeverz sold it to local merchants while sitting in havana waiting for Ubilla to raise funds to support his fleet ---the locals most likely renamed it "Maria Galante" and later sold it to Ubilla when he arrived in havana short 4 pataches --turning a quick profit in the process---- Ivan

 

Amazon Forum Fav 👍

Family Maps of Hinds County, Mississippi, Deluxe Edition - Grab it through Amazon!

[Chagy]

Re: Ubilla's 1715 vessel "Nuestra Senora de la Regla" aka Maria Galante

Hello Ivan,

Could you please tell us what are the names of the missing vessels

Thanks,

Chagy

 

[ivan salis]

Re: Ubilla's 1715 vessel "Nuestra Senora de la Regla" aka Maria Galante

there are 2 "major" missing vessels and 3 smaller ones--- #1 one is the spanish (nao) named Senor (SR) San Miguel that came with the fleet from spain --on the inbound voyage it was sent directly to havana to load tabbacco and then waited from the other ships in havana for the return trip--(and is reported to have carried silver coins as "private cargo" as well as tabbaco) this is the vessel that I personally believe lies off the amelia island area in a "aquatic preserve area" and is one of the 5 vessels that were "on a differant course" or north of the bulk of the fleet when the hurricane struck the fleet ( this I believe because of the pilot mayor of Ubilla's account of august 15,1715 which he told about 2 weeks afterwards during the investagation after the shipwrecks)-- #2 the french prize (El Ciervo - "the stag") a smaller galley type vessl (possible nick names for both it and the dutch prize which is a similar type vessel are -- La Galera or "the galley" - in spanish) is another of the "missing" vessels and was with the SR San Miguel (the nao) to the north of the fleet (they had "broke ranks" in a effort to save themselves from Ubilla's stupid slow speed sailing--- which later caused Ubilla to be blamed for the loss of the fleet) ---as to the french prizes possible where abouts no one knows to the best of my knowledge at this time --- the others are in debate as to their where abouts -- several wrecks are in the area of the major 1715 fleet -- to this day some folks quibble over which is which wreck --- I do have my ideas on the subject that can be backed by research --- Ivan

 

[Chagy]

Re: Ubilla's 1715 vessel "Nuestra Senora de la Regla" aka Maria Galante

Ivan,

Thanks for sharing........So the "Maria Galante" is the Regla Ubillas flagship? The Cabin Wreck?

 

[ivan salis]

Re: Ubilla's 1715 vessel "Nuestra Senora de la Regla" aka Maria Galante

no the "Maria Galante" aka "Nuesrta Senora se la Regla" being a friggatilla or small frigate would have not been used as the flag ship (however she bore the same *religious name as the NAO that was Ubillas flagship)--only Naos -- larger type vessels--or Galleons (a nao that had extra men and cannons placed on it) where normally used as "flagships" it was a status type thing and the flagships were the "main" legal haulers of the kings treasure--- this vessel was much smaller than the flagship -- it has the same "religious*" name however which is quite common --*the owners of the vessels often used their patron saints name as the "religious*" name for several vessels in their "fleet" at the same time -- there were also nicknames that were often used too ---as well as the "offical" name -- so a vessel could have "3 or 4 names at the same time"---crazy huh?

Here is a prime 6 name prime "sample" of what I speak of ---the vessel often called #1"the dutch prize" ---a small galera (galley) type / class vessel captured by Echeverz's pataches off tolu ,columbia and brought to porto bella , panama where Echeverz bought it at auction for $2,000 pesos -- it was known as #2 "La Holandesa" (the dutch) --#3 "Olandesa" (dutch) and #4 "La Galera" (the galley) ---its religious name was #5 "San Miguel" as were a few others in Echeverz fleet being that was his patron saint -- his "offical" name for it was #6 "Nuestra Senora de la Popa"--- it was from the upper deckworks of this small vessel that had washed ashore that Echeverz wrote letters to others after the wreck ---"from the "real"(shelter) of the Olandesa"--- I hope this helps you understand the rather crazy "naming" process of the vessels somewhat ---it can be confusing to say the least--Ivan

 

[FISHEYE]

Re: Ubilla's 1715 vessel "Nuestra Senora de la Regla" aka Maria Galante

Ivan,

when you say (the galley) do you mean a ship like the vikings used that had oars,if they had no wind they could stick oars thru the holes in the side of the ship and row.or does (the galley mean galleon?)

 

[ivan salis]

Re: Ubilla's 1715 vessel "Nuestra Senora de la Regla" aka Maria Galante

thanks fisheye the first two VESSELS you show -- the smallish 1700's "GALERA"and "GALERE" both 190 ton (galley - rowible type vessels -- the first one is shown oars in / the second one oars out) they are just the type of vessels that both the dutch prize and the french prize taken by Echeverz were -- they were sailing vessels that in case of dead calm or being in shallow waters could be rowed like the viking vessels you talk about OR TO ADD A EXTRA BURST OF SPEED TO TRY OUT RUNNING OTHER VESSELS --(they were small and swift and carried a fair bit of cargo for their size-- not too heavily armed built as illegal traders / smugglers by foreign countries who traded illegally with the spanish colonies) ---- the SPANISH "GALLEON" WAS A DIFFERANT BEAST ALTOGETHER --- they were "beefed up" NAO's (extra guns and crew members and soldiers)--- they were large and bulky --- the NAO class type vessels were built as "cargo haulers" to bring the wealth of the new world back to spain ---their cargo carrying ability was their biggest asset to spain -- the NAO class type vessels were not good vessels to use in shallow water and thus they tended to avoided the shallow areas as much as possible --(this is a major reason that english and dutch maps of america in the early days are much better than the spain ones---the dutch and english vessels being smaller and shallower of draft could "recon" better than the spanish) P.S.--- the vessel shown above as a "nave" or "navi" ( is where the term "navy" for warship comes from) the "navi" was solely designed for fighting-- with no thought to her cargo hauling ability ---it is similar to the swift frigate (FRAGATA IN SPANISH) type vessels called "pataches" in the 1715 fleet ---(SWIFT FRIGATE TYPE VESSELS ---THE SPANISH "NAVI" OR "PATACHE" WAS A COUNTER TO THE ILLEGAL "FOREIGN" GALERA CLASS SMUGGLING BOATS -- THE "PATACHES" NOT BEING USED TO HAUL CARGO OF ANY KIND AND BUILT SOLELY FOR SPEED AND BETTER ARMED AND CREWED THEN THE GALERA CLASS VESSELS COULD EASILY TAKE OVER AND CAPTURE THEM )---Ivan