U.S. Bucket, and a scabbard thingy. Help please?

[mlw67]

Hi!

I just moved into this house this year, and I found these two items here.

The bucket was out in a pile of trash. I'm guessing its military? Any ideas on age or value?

The scabbard (sheath? whats the right word?) was behind my furnace. The metal part is 16" long.

Again, type of use? maker? age? value?

I'm clueless in these categories. Let me know if you have questions.

 

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[dg39]

Probably an early water or fire bucket for U.S. Army. It looks to be brass? good quality.I'm guessing ww-1 or early ww-2.... It would have more value than the scabbard. The other is a bayonet scabbard, but are there markings on it?

 

[trk5capt]

Post CW Most Likley WW1 Or WW2. trk5capt...

 

[mlw67]

Thanks for looking dg and trk.

The bucket isn't brass, though I'm not sure what metal it is.  Just steel or iron or whatever.  lol you can tell how much I know...

The scabbard is for a bayonet, eh?  It isn't marked with anything other than the scratched name and driver's license number of a previous owner. (not that I could find, anyway)

 

[Heavy Chevy]

Hey Gang,

I had a good friend who collected bayonets some years ago.
Judging by the length i would say Spanish-American War era or WWI.
Could possibly be from a Mauser rifle.
Also possibly from a P-14 or P-17 rifle.
Most WW2 bayonets were around 10 inches.
Many P-17 bayonets left over from WW1 were cut down by the US Army to fit the WW2 M1 rifles.

A great find. I have a WW1 Enfield P-14 bayonet that looks similar to this except it doesn't have the lift at the blade end. That is why i am leaning towards a P-17 Enfield.

I could be wrong so if someone has the right answer please let us know.

Thanks,
Mike in SC

 

[PBK]

You just might be able to find a match for the scabbard at the following bayonet identification site:

http://arms2armor.com/Bayonets/bayonets.htm

The fittings look fairly similar to those of the scabbard for the French Model 1892 Mannlicher-Berthier infantry
"short-rifle" bayonet, 2nd pattern.

 

[dg39]

Probably an early water or fire bucket for U.S. Army. It looks to be brass? good quality.I'm guessing ww-1 or early ww-2.... It would have more value than the scabbard. The other is a bayonet scabbard, but are there markings on it?

Copper.

OK so I got in a hurry typing.I have my senile moments.....Picky, Picky, Picky!

 

[gldhntr]

if the bucket is copper cleaning/polishing it will deflate the value considerably....just a thought.........gldhntr

 

[mlw67]

Thanks for the comments everyone.

The bucket isn't copper. A magnet sticks to it.

I looked up enfield p17s on Ebay and they had a couple that also had the scabbards included. Those 2 scabbards looked the same as each other, but nothing like mine. Dunno if that means anything or not, I'm out of my element here.

There are two 1892 Mannlicher-Berthier scabbards on Ebay, again they match each other, but not mine.

Thanks again everyone for looking and helping.

 

[nhbenz]

I'm sorry to be at a loss on both items. But the frog (leather part of the bayonet sheath) is probably worth about the same as the sheath itself. As to the bucket, I've tried, but can't find it. The collapsable canvas bucket has been the most popular since 1910... I thought I'd found something with "cavalry sponge bucket", but those were a heavier material. Nice finds though!

 

[Heavy Chevy]

MLW,

I still have about 10 bayonets but no scabbards matching the one you have.
I would suggest picking up a copy of "The Shotgun News" a paper related to firearms and all things militaria. I have seen them in the magazine racks at grocery stores. They usually have pictures of bayonets and other military surplus type items for sale.

I will keep looking for you,

Mike in SC

 

[neu]

Well, it's probably a long shot. But they have a lot of similarities. This is a replica of Japanese 1897 Arisaka rifle bayonet:

"example of the classic Japanese 1897 (type 30) Arisaka rifle bayonet complete with fullered 15" blade bearing replicated arsenal marking. Hooked quillion cross guard and wood grip scales, this bayonet comes with its heavily blued all steel scabbard. Used extensively by the Japanese until the close of WWII. Designed to fit all their models of service rifles with the exception of the 1911 (type 44) cavalry carbine."
from http://www.ima-usa.com/product_info.php/products_id/953

 

[Heavy Chevy]

Hey Alan-TN,

I think you hit the nail on the head.
My only thing is that your statement says "replica."
Why would a company replicate these items as back in the 1980's you could by the original bayonets all day long for $7.00--$8.00 each ?
Just curious .....


Great detective work !!!

Mike in SC

 

[nhbenz]

Good job Alan! That made it pretty easy to do some research on eBay, and sure enough the frog is worth as much as the bayonet and scabbard combined. I think its a WW2 model, of which there were two types: a laminated canvas type (more common) and this one in leather. One just like yours sold for $107 (just the frog). Nice find.

 

[mlw67]

Holy Wow you guys! I never would have figured that scabbard out without your help. I sure appreciate it.

Now that bucket.... I've googled all over the heavens and back and can't find a bucket like that one. Maybe its a post office mop bucket. Are you guys sure its army issue?

Thanks again for your help.

 

[dg39]

As far as bucket is concerned, maybe foresty service or some other government agency. allthough I still think its military ww-1 time period or slightly thereafter.

 

[mlw67]

Forest Service--now that is one that I didn't think of.

One thing is for sure--its not copper or brass. The magnet sticks to both the handle and the body. The green cast you see in the pic is undoubtably due to the green fiberglass roof over my porch. I was too lazy to take the bucket out in the sun.

Thanks again everyone.

 

[Marty-Graw]

the bucket looks like it is galvanized steel...... same as they made old water pipes out of

 

[dg39]

Forest Service--now that is one that I didn't think of.

One thing is for sure--its not copper or brass. The magnet sticks to both the handle and the body. The green cast you see in the pic is undoubtably due to the I was too lazy to take the bucket out in the sun.

Thanks again everyone.

green fiberglass roof over my porch?? ? ?

I think it was a oat bucket for Union Cavalry Horses.





Doc

Damn Yankees!

 

[mlw67]

Galvanized steel--yeah, that sounds about right.

green fiberglass roof over my porch?? ? ?

Yeah, you know, that wavy translucent stuff.

I think it was a oat bucket for Union Cavalry Horses.

Seriously? Or is that a joke? LOL I can't tell.