U.K. coat of arms button - needs a date

[mile-ender]

Dug this one today and was wondering if anyone could maybe give me an opinion of the age?

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

Is this it? I see a 2 piece mold seam.

 

[mile-ender]

Is this it? I see a 2 piece mold seam.

Mine's not gilded copper, I believe it's pewter. But that's why I'm asking. As for the pick you posted - I can't see the back so I really couldn't say if it's that one. As for the two piece molded seam - I don't know enough about button manufacturing to say yet. Could you show me another example of the same mold seam?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Is this it? I see a 2 piece mold seam.

Mine's not gilded copper, I believe it's pewter. But that's why I'm asking. As for the pick you posted - I can't see the back so I really couldn't say if it's that one. As for the two piece molded seam - I don't know enough about button manufacturing to say yet. Could you show me another example of the same mold seam?

I realize yours is a one piece pewter or pot metal button. What I posted is NOT your exact button. Im asking if this could be the same design because yours is corroded and I cant see it well. Sorry for not explaining. I am not up on British buttons.


I dont have another example, but it appears to be a mold mark from a two part mold.

 

[mile-ender]

Is this it? I see a 2 piece mold seam.

Mine's not gilded copper, I believe it's pewter. But that's why I'm asking. As for the pick you posted - I can't see the back so I really couldn't say if it's that one. As for the two piece molded seam - I don't know enough about button manufacturing to say yet. Could you show me another example of the same mold seam?

I realize yours is a one piece pewter or pot metal button. What I posted is NOT your exact button. Im asking if this could be the same design because yours is corroded and I cant see it well. Sorry for not explaining. I am not up on British buttons.


I dont have another example, but it appears to be a mold mark from a two part mold.

Ahhh, I understand, yes it's the same design.
Is the molding any indicator of age?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Is the molding any indicator of age?

Yes I think it may be an indicator of age but I am not an expert so I will wait for other opinions.

 

[hammered]

Hi mile-ender,
In one of the fields that I get to detect, military and livery buttons pop up all the time, and your button has similarities to the " General Issue" button. The "General Issue" was used for quite a long time so have a look at this link. http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/sh...rpage=40&sort=1&stype=&limit=&cat=217&ppuser= it may be on here, but my pc is having a pc hissy fit at the mo' and when I log on to that site the cow crashes. Time for a new pc. I hope this helps.

hammered

 

[Iron Patch]

I just did a quick search and see the Coat of Arms was adopted in 1837 so what makes the most sense is your button is a General service button dating early in Victoria's reign. I've seen a lot of buttons but not one of these.

 

[mile-ender]

Hi mile-ender,
In one of the fields that I get to detect, military and livery buttons pop up all the time, and your button has similarities to the " General Issue" button. The "General Issue" was used for quite a long time so have a look at this link. http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/sh...rpage=40&sort=1&stype=&limit=&cat=217&ppuser= it may be on here, but my pc is having a pc hissy fit at the mo' and when I log on to that site the cow crashes. Time for a new pc. I hope this helps.

hammered

Thanks. Checked it out. Great reference site, but no luck with finding anything similar to mine. The coat of arms has been in use since 1603, so I'm thinking it comes down to design (of the coat of arms( I notice small differences)), and the manufacturing process of the button. My avatar is a similar button in the sense that I've had various proffesionals look at it and not be able to give me any definitive answer.
I do appreciate everyone looking.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Does anybody know what the mold mark indicates? It appears the mold mark is on the shank also and was cast all in one piece. Does anybody have any one piece buttons with the same mold mark/seam?

 

[hammered]

The small differnces are down to the the different reigns. Each King/Queen had a slightly different crown/coat of arms thus came about the general issue towards late 18th early 19 century onwards. If I can find it I will send you an even better link.

hammered

 

[Woodland Detectors]

Here's the crescent moon and cannonball button Dale. It was never ID'D

 

[CRUSADER]

Is this it? I see a 2 piece mold seam.

This button, Bigc, is post 1902 as it has the Lion on the Crown. The pre 1902 has no Lion & a different crown type. I can't see the crown type in the picture due to the angle it was taken.

Can we have more pictures? This one puzzells me, as I have found hundreds of General Service Army Buttons but never this type which 'seems' to be early.... but I reserving judgement.

 

[CRUSADER]

http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/militarynamedregiments.htm
Also its not on this site which posts hundreds of detectorist finds in the Colchester area.

Its not on any site I have seen, never seen anyone else find one.

Only seen 1 on this site previously & from memory it was from the US.

So my hunch is fantasy button, repro blazer type.

 

[Iron Patch]

What type of site was it found and what else did you dig?

 

[mile-ender]

What type of site was it found and what else did you dig?

Are you familiar with Montreal? - You know the mountain? Mount-Royal? There's actually about three hills, it was on an older path on one of the hills. Considering the history of Montreal.....

 

[Iron Patch]

What type of site was it found and what else did you dig?

Are you familiar with Montreal? - You know the mountain? Mount-Royal? There's actually about three hills, it was on an older path on one of the hills. Considering the history of Montreal.....

In other words it was random, so no help.

Have you been able to find anything early French? I'm east of you (Maritimes) and have many early to mid. 18th century Fr. sites.

 

[mile-ender]

http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/militarynamedregiments.htm
Also its not on this site which posts hundreds of detectorist finds in the Colchester area.

Its not on any site I have seen, never seen anyone else find one.

Only seen 1 on this site previously & from memory it was from the US.

So my hunch is fantasy button, repro blazer type.

Here's some more pics. It's tough to give you guys something to work with - even with a magnifying glass I have trouble making out the detail..
And just a thought - if it is a repro - wouldn't it be easier to find something on the net?

 

[CRUSADER]

http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/militarynamedregiments.htm
Also its not on this site which posts hundreds of detectorist finds in the Colchester area.

Its not on any site I have seen, never seen anyone else find one.

Only seen 1 on this site previously & from memory it was from the US.

So my hunch is fantasy button, repro blazer type.

Here's some more pics. It's tough to give you guys something to work with - even with a magnifying glass I have trouble making out the detail..
And just a thought - if it is a repro - wouldn't it be easier to find something on the net?

Thats better, it copys the post 1902 design but the crown is incorrect. Its a modern copy.

 

[johnnyi]

Crusader, you dig more of the pewter buttons over there than we do. Ignoring the front for a minute, is the partially buried round shank on a pewter cast button a sign of it being modern? I usually fid the old ones with the full round of the shank showing?