two swords i know nothing about.

[bdesalvo]

need help to identify these two swords and where they came from.
what these were used for.?
i attached some pics more to follow

 

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[GaRebel1861]

Masonic swords? - That's just a guess.

 

[Jason in Enid]

Not masonic, fraternal. Not true "swords" these were decorative items used for ceremony.

 

[DCMatt]

The M.C. Lilley sword is pre-1924 as the company name changed after that.

I agree that these are fraternal ceremonial pieces.

 

[NOLA_Ken]

Both Masonic, I would think. The black gripped one with the red cross on the scabbard looks like a Masonic Knights Templar sword. It's the better of the two from what can see

 

[Terry In Florida]

Some history in the
[h=2]Masonic Knight Templar Swords[/h]
Seems they are both m.c. lilly & co columbus ohio swords, The name, Morris W. Bartlett, on the one is most likely the original owner of the sword or swords.

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