Two star Two piece buckle??

[BiggusDiggus]

Dug this yesterday, cant find any info/pics of the same..only found the half of what im assuming is a Two piece buckle...Two stars with stars inside, possible crossed swords/flowers? Any info/date/pics would be appriciated...Thanks in advance..HH

 

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[Kurios1]

Clueless of such a buckle but, it sure is a beautiful piece of history for sure. I hope you can find out some details on your wonderful recovery.

 

[The_Piratess]

Dug this yesterday, cant find any info/pics of the same..only found the half of what im assuming is a Two piece buckle...Two stars with stars inside, possible crossed swords/flowers? Any info/date/pics would be appriciated...Thanks in advance..HH


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Congrats on a nice and interesting find! Can you tell what the 2 crossed objects are that are directly across from the star on the right? They kind of look like either swords or rifles but I can't really tell from the pic? I think that might be a clue to finding out what it is. Maybe part of a medal, or uniform?

 

[A2coins]

I would agree with part of a Medal of some kind!!

 

[villagenut]

Wreath half of a tongue and wreath sash buckle. Not sure if it is military or not.

 

[nhbenz]

I agree with Villagenut. What's the size, and can we see the back?

 

[BiggusDiggus]

The only items similar i can find are Confederate and indian war belt buckles...Looks like there are some kind of makers marks on the backside...Cant tell what the two crossed items are, either flowers,swords?

 

[CRUSADER]

Wreath half of a tongue and wreath sash buckle. Not sure if it is military or not.

Agreed, looks civvy.

 

[DCMatt]

You neglected to say WHERE you found the relic.

This is the closest I saw:



Not a match but getting closer. 1840's militia buckle (reproduction from Hanover Brass).

 

[CRUSADER]

You neglected to say WHERE you found the relic.

This is the closest I saw:

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Not a match but getting closer. 1840's militia buckle (reproduction from Hanover Brass).

Lets hope its an unusual early one, seems odd for Military but has a chance I guess.

 

[BiggusDiggus]

Yep, thats the closest ive found also...but no 100% match..Wish the other half was around...Found in Haddam CT 1790ish home about 6 inches deep

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

The exact duplicate of your wreath portion of a 2-piece Tongue-&-Wreath buckle is shown on page 84 of the book "American Military Belt Plates" by O'Donnell & Campbell. In that book it is listed as Plate #119, Waist Belt Plate, [US] Officer or Diplomat, circa 1816-1825.

The oval disc on the tongue portion of the buckle, which you haven't found (yet), showed a flying eagle holding a round wreath in its beak. According to the AMBP book, that specific version of flying eagle was used on 1812-15 Light Dragoons (Cavalry) hat plates, and 1813 Light Artillery hat plates. The book also says that a contemporary (1817) description of US Diplomat buttons mentions the same flying-eagle-with-wreath-in-beak motif, so this belt buckle could also have been used by US Diplomats.

 

[CRUSADER]

The exact duplicate of your wreath portion of a 2-piece Tongue-&-Wreath buckle is shown on page 84 of the book "American Military Belt Plates" by O'Donnell & Campbell. In that book it is listed as Plate #119, Waist Belt Plate, [US] Officer or Diplomat, circa 1816-1825.

The oval disc on the tongue portion of the buckle, which you haven't found (yet), showed a flying eagle holding a round wreath in its beak. According to the AMBP book, that specific version of flying eagle was used on 1812-15 Light Dragoons (Cavalry) hat plates, and 1813 Light Artillery hat plates. The book also says that a contemporary (1817) description of US Diplomat buttons mentions the same flying-eagle-with-wreath-in-beak motif, so this belt buckle could also have been used by US Diplomats.

Good info, but the book sounds unsure of the ID, sounds like best guesses, rather than source evidence. Oh well we all do it based on experience.

 

[DCMatt]

a flying eagle holding a round wreath in its beak. According to the AMBP book, that specific version of flying eagle was used on 1812-15 Light Dragoons (Cavalry) hat plates

 

[BiggusDiggus]

The exact duplicate of your wreath portion of a 2-piece Tongue-&-Wreath buckle is shown on page 84 of the book "American Military Belt Plates" by O'Donnell & Campbell. In that book it is listed as Plate #119, Waist Belt Plate, [US] Officer or Diplomat, circa 1816-1825.

The oval disc on the tongue portion of the buckle, which you haven't found (yet), showed a flying eagle holding a round wreath in its beak. According to the AMBP book, that specific version of flying eagle was used on 1812-15 Light Dragoons (Cavalry) hat plates, and 1813 Light Artillery hat plates. The book also says that a contemporary (1817) description of US Diplomat buttons mentions the same flying-eagle-with-wreath-in-beak motif, so this belt buckle could also have been used by US Diplomats.

Any pic from pg.84?

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

Scanning the photo published in the book and posting it on the internet (which is legally defined as "publishing" the photo) is a violation of US Copyright Law... so I must not do that.

 

[BiggusDiggus]

Its for educational purposes, its legal...