Two small celts and a Tomahawk? Axe? Whatever you want to call it!

[Rockiologist]

A couple of the small celts from this summer. Just starting to get some of my stuff sent to Florida from Arkansas so I will try to put up some more! So what would you call the black flint piece?

 

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[Cachefind09]

The black flint piece is probably an axe or a hoe. The notching on the piece was used for hafting. I have found a couple like it but they are made of hardstone.

 

[Tnmountains]

Looks like a wicked axe. I can see that cutting some timber. Nice examples and finds

 

[Twitch]

Depending on where the black piece was found it has a lot of characterists of a Guilford Axe. Some of the folks from the Carolina's should be able to confirm or dispell that idea.

 

[Rockiologist]

Depending on where the black piece was found it has a lot of characterists of a Guilford Axe. Some of the folks from the Carolina's should be able to confirm or dispell that idea.

Sorry I should have stated all my stuff is from Arkansas as of right now. Hope to have some Florida stuff soon!

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Depending on where the black piece was found it has a lot of characterists of a Guilford Axe. Some of the folks from the Carolina's should be able to confirm or dispell that idea.

Sorry I should have stated all my stuff is from Arkansas as of right now. Hope to have some Florida stuff soon!

Just remember it is against Florida law to remove any artifact from any city, state or federal land, dry or wet does not matter.....I say this only to advise you so your collection that you gain legally in Arkansas is not challenged or seized.....I hunted 20 years in Missouri, have a small but nice collection. I walked many a creek, stream and river in Missouri on private land with permission. I do not want to take a chance of it being illegaly seized by hunting any government land here...........

 

[Rockiologist]

Wow I did not know that ! I had went back and read many post on here of stuff found in Fl so I guess I never gave it much thought.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Wow I did not know that ! I had went back and read many post on here of stuff found in Fl so I guess I never gave it much thought.

It use to be legal here to hunt on government land, but the law was changed. Just make sure your hunting on private property with permission......

I personally did not want to take the chance, get caught hunting on a creek or stream that turned out to be on some government land and get ticketed, then have a knock on the door one night with agents taking my collection that I aquired legally in Missouri....

 

[Rockiologist]

It really is a shame imo. Every time a tropical storm comes through I can only imagine the amount of stuff that will never be seen again. As far as laws go is there somewhere as collectors we can go to see the laws for each state, county so on?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

You can go to this link and do some reading for various states as well as what I cut and pasted from the site. I only post this for you to protect what you already legally own, not to discourage you from enjoying your hobby in any way.......Personally, I may not necessarily agree with the laws, but I do obey them to protect what I already legally own...

A artifact laying in a stream, creek or river, has lost all value as far as its archaeological value, there is no way of knowing how far it has moved since it hit the water, but yet is still illegal to remove it from the water on government land in the state of Florida......

http://www.metal-detecting-ghost-towns-of-the-east.com/metaldetectinglaws.html


The American Antiquities Act of 1906 was passed to protect the relics and artifacts that lay below ground from being dug up by, armchair historians, relic hunters, or anyone who enjoys the outdoors.

The ARPA law was not a metal detecting law.

There were no metal detectors in 1906.


Even though this law is not a metal detecting law. But you must obey it.


The Antiquities Law remember is not a metal detecting law, but reads as follows.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That any person who shall appropriate, excavate, injure, or destroy any historic or prehistoric ruin or monument, or any object of antiquity, situated on lands owned or controlled by the Government of the United States, without the permission of the Secretary of the Department of the Government having jurisdiction over the lands on which said antiquities are situated, shall, upon conviction, be fined in a sum of not more than five hundred dollars or be imprisoned for a period of not more than ninety days, or shall suffer both fine and imprisonment, in the discretion of the court.


National Historic Preservation Act of 1966 · This act supplements the provisions of the Antiquities Act of 1906. The law makes it illegal to destroy, excavate or remove information from Federal or Indian lands any archeological resources without a permit from the land manager. Permits may be issued only to educational or scientific institutions and only if the resulting activities will increase knowledge about archeological resources. Regulations for the ultimate disposition of materials recovered as a result of permitted activities state that archeological resources excavated on public lands remain the property of the United States. Archeological resources excavated from Indian lands remain the property of the Indian or Indian tribe having rights of ownership over such resources.


The Archaeological Resources Protection Act Of 1979
The term "archaeological resource" means any material remains of past human life or activities which are of archaeological interest, as determined under uniform regulations promulgated pursuant to this chapter. Such regulations containing such determination shall include, but not be limited to: pottery, basketry, bottles, weapons, weapon projectiles, tools, structures or portions of structures, pit houses, rock paintings, rock carvings, intaglios, graves, human skeletal materials, or any portion or piece of any of the foregoing items. Nonfossilized and fossilized paleontological specimens, or any portion or piece thereof, shall not be considered archaeological resources, under the regulations under this paragraph, unless found in archaeological context. No item shall be treated as an archaeological resource under regulations under this paragraph unless such item is at least 100 years of age.


No person may excavate, remove, damage, or otherwise alter or deface, or attempt to excavate, remove, damage, or otherwise alter or deface any archaeological resource located on public lands or Indian lands unless such activity is pursuant to a permit issued under section 470cc of this title, a permit referred to in section 470cc(h)(2) of this title, or the exemption contained in section 470cc(g)(1) of this title.

 

[Rockiologist]

Thanks for the info. They have the article number passed by the senate and house posted at a lot of the places in Arkansas that are goverment owned and relic rich. Never looked it up just stayed away from those places. However I always thought that if it was worth putting up a sign must be pretty good stuff around those places. I bow hunted around the banks of one of the rivers there and they had went as far to put up cameras! Needless to say there were always lots of pieces laying everywhere on the way in and out. I was always to scared to bend over moreless pick anything up. More than once though I have left in the evening and the next morning you could see where people had been out there the night before scratching around. Made me wonder if the camera sighns were just to scare people off.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Thanks for the info. They have the article number passed by the senate and house posted at a lot of the places in Arkansas that are goverment owned and relic rich. Never looked it up just stayed away from those places. However I always thought that if it was worth putting up a sign must be pretty good stuff around those places. I bow hunted around the banks of one of the rivers there and they had went as far to put up cameras! Needless to say there were always lots of pieces laying everywhere on the way in and out. I was always to scared to bend over moreless pick anything up. More than once though I have left in the evening and the next morning you could see where people had been out there the night before scratching around. Made me wonder if the camera sighns were just to scare people off.

The sad part is they would rather the artifact stay in the water and be lost or lay on the surface and be destroyed, then allow someone to pick it up and preserve it....

 

[Rockiologist]

When I was only sixteen they drained a corps of engineers lake where I was raised. As most of the local teens the fresh mud and chance to find fishing tackle brought us to the lake to are own little party most nights. As the lake kept getting lower more and more people were about and it was not long before we knew why. Artifacts starting showing up everywhere and so one day like all the others around us we started picking them up out of the lake bed. About and hour or so into our bucket filling a ranger I knew flagged us over and informed us we would have to pour them out. He said we couldn't pick anything up off gov property. So I never did again. However the funny part is he picked them! I went to school with both his boys and been to his house many times. He has a huge collection all off the corps land picking them up when they drain the lake or plow food plots. I went back home this summer when they drained the lake to take pic of the mound we were around years ago. It was gone by draining and raising the lake it had been washed away. There is no telling what was around that area but now it is at the bottom of a river up against a dam. These laws are from over one hundred years ago and need to be revisited before generations of history loss.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

When I was only sixteen they drained a corps of engineers lake where I was raised. As most of the local teens the fresh mud and chance to find fishing tackle brought us to the lake to are own little party most nights. As the lake kept getting lower more and more people were about and it was not long before we knew why. Artifacts starting showing up everywhere and so one day like all the others around us we started picking them up out of the lake bed. About and hour or so into our bucket filling a ranger I knew flagged us over and informed us we would have to pour them out. He said we couldn't pick anything up off gov property. So I never did again. However the funny part is he picked them! I went to school with both his boys and been to his house many times. He has a huge collection all off the corps land picking them up when they drain the lake or plow food plots. I went back home this summer when they drained the lake to take pic of the mound we were around years ago. It was gone by draining and raising the lake it had been washed away. There is no telling what was around that area but now it is at the bottom of a river up against a dam. These laws are from over one hundred years ago and need to be revisited before generations of history loss.

That is the problem, they are either lost forever, or end up in THEIR PRIVATE COLLECTION, which is okay, just as long as we don't get them......There is a local county park I can hunt, but I am not allowed in the water. It has a spring in it where people swim, I wanted to detect it and can't, against the rules. I did find out one of the local park rangers for the park hunts in the water in the winter, evidently the rules do not apply to him....

 

[Rockiologist]

Exactly this summer when they drained the lake it was the greatest thing I ever seen. They hired three times the rangers to help keep off looters. Honestly with the washing of the mound it was prob needed. We went to the back side where there is only one place you can get to the water. the back side of the lake is all private property down to the flood line so there no parks boat ramps and such. I parked where we camped when I was a kid walked out on the peninsula opp the mound and for over three hundred yards you could not step without stepping on points and tools. they were everwhere. One of the hardest things was to leave with nothing however the photos in my mine I hope to be one of the last I forget as I get old. I think just my opinion that hunters as we all are going at this maybe the wrong way. The original laws were requested by the Indian nations. Maybe the right way to go about getting the laws changed would be through the reservations that still exist. Also as a side note the park ranger I grew up around also told me there maybe a loop hole. He said they can not stop a card carrying member of Indian decent from picking up off gov land. He said a card member can retrieve artifacts of there culture and because most goverment land do not have these on or at the parks and such so they cant prove that what you are picking up is from your culture or not. Just food for thought.