✅ SOLVED Two domed Eagle buttons how old?

[VERMONTIS]

A buddy of mine gave these to me today along with an apple pie and said Happy Thanksgiving!!

I've never seen a domed eagle button quite like this, with a solder smudge on the back. A little help with date and ID would appreciated. I do see Excelsior under the eagle. In the one picture of the back, by the loop, I can see the reverse of the shield though the hole. Any help on the date would be appreciated. =ED

 

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[duggap]

I believe those are fashion buttons, from looking at the back. They were made to imitate the officers button, which was a high domed, well made button. I can only guess at the date but I would say 1920s to 30s.

 

[VERMONTIS]

The neat part is he found them on top of his book case in a paper folder . He already was making the yearly batch of apple pies, and thought to give these to me as well. I would like to mount these in a frame for him and give them back with a little history . =ED

 

[VERMONTIS]

My bud is 84 yrs old . He was called the 10-20 guy , you needed 10$ you owed 20$ . .Hiro Shima pilots . ... They flew out of anywhere . I put the buttons in a frame already. Any info to document age is greatly app. Only he knows where these came from ..

 

[fyrffytr1]

Here's another one like yours. It shows the plain back and an attachment loop. But, it just doesn't look right. Maybe someone else will chime in and help us ID them.
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/47761-button-buckles.html

 

[fyrffytr1]

Here's another link that describes them as Indian Wars period. Again the attachment loop does not look right.
10 New York Militia Coat Uniform Buttons Indian War Era | eBay

 

[fyrffytr1]

If you do a search for New York Militia Staff buttons and click on images you will find several buttons like yours. Most are referred to as post war. However, I am still suspect of the attachment loop. I hope someone can shed more light on the subject and tell us that these are correct.
One thing I forgot to mention is the shield. There are three variations according to "Albert's" button book. All three have a different number of bars in the shield, 4,5,or 6.

 

[VERMONTIS]

I wish I see a pool of solder on the back of one...

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

They are New York National Guard officer's buttons. Yours have what is called a "self-shank" back... meaning, the back itself forms the shank/loop for sewing the button onto cloth, instead of having a separately-made loop or shank. If I recall correctly, that type of self-shank back was invented and patented a few years after 1900.

Also, your buttons appear to have what is called "false 3-piece construction... meaning, they are a 2-piece button manufactured cheaply to resemble a more-expensive 3-piece construction. That indicates they were not made for actual Military service. Yours may have been made for veterans' use, or as Fashion buttons.

 

[VERMONTIS]

Thanks for all your response ,dug,Fyrffytr1 , and the C.B.G. = This will all go into the back of the frame ..Knoledge tuckt away for future kidz