TSF buys land Bear River and Yuba River watersheds to nearly 9,000 acres. scary

[2cmorau]

TSF
the property begins below New Bullard’s Bar Dam and the confluence of the North and Middle Yuba River. The Yuba River cascades for six miles through a steep canyon and joins the South Yuba and Englebright Reservoir.Rice?s Crossing Acquired: Six Miles of Yuba River Purchased | The Sierra Fund

 

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[Goodyguy]

Hopefully my new environmentally friendly heavy metal river cleanup company (comprised of volunteers from T-net) will be hired to remove all the toxic mercury and lead from that section of river

.........Yeah right

 

[Hoser John]

good by america as our lands are stolen sic sic sic sic-John

 

[Gravelwasher]

I am waiting for the word Goodyguy!! Just say the word and I will help remove them heavies.

So now that they have purchased is it ok for all to access the river in this area? ..lol ya you know what I am thinking..haha will keep dreaming

 

[2cmorau]

yep, Sad day indeed. so much for our freedom, say goodbye to dredgin
sure this will get the dace Mac crowd in an uproar
http://www.veritasresearchconsultin...4-USFWS-Threatened_Stat-Oreg_Spotted_Frog.pdf

 

[Hoser John]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm spotted frog legs all fried up in butter and garlic GOOD never ending cavalcade a lies sic sic sic-John

 

[Clay Diggins]

All of this was already private land closed to prospecting, dredging and claims. Nothing was lost for prospectors or miners here.

I don't like the greenies using public funds to buy these lands but they never were available to prospectors in our lifetimes.
This has nothing to do with public rights, freedom, prospecting or dredging.

Frog legs are yummy but greenie liver fried in sage grouse fat is better.

 

[Oakview2]

Clay

Why couldn't those public funds be used to open the land for all to use, not to be put under the thumb of the ecoterrorist? The way to boil a frog is to warm the water slowly, not throw him in it boiling.. Ribbit , we the non greenies are the frog

 

[2cmorau]

a portion was public land (BLM), but there was no access because of private

LOL, never met a fatty Sage Grouse
what doe s a moped and a fat girl have in common?

 

[Hoser John]

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO let me get this right that it don't matter to ya that a PRIVATE landowner can't mine his own property and the loss of lands does not matter because it's private?? MUCH more at stake here as no new land being made and don't matter public or private the loss of anything to radical environutz is horrendous. John

 

[Clay Diggins]

If something wasn't yours and then it was sold to someone else isn't it still not yours? What do you folks not understand about private = not yours?

The land was granted to the original owners under patent by the government. It was their exclusive private property. Most of that land was granted under the mining laws. The patents those miners earned gave them and their ancestors the right to treat that land as their own, including the right to sell it to anyone they wished under any terms they choose.

These land patents are private property in the highest form. What do you have against private property rights? I don't like a lot of the choices my neighbors make about their property, sometimes I think they are idiots. No matter what I think they have a right to do with their property what they want. I will defend their right to their private property even if they are idiots.

This is a nation based on the right to private property. Whenever you argue that your neighbor shouldn't be able to do what they want with their property you are arguing against the principles of a free Republic and for socialism. You are arguing for the right to tell your neighbor what he can and can not do with his property. That's the opposite of freedom.

I don't like the new TSF neighbors I think they are bad for the neighborhood. I may not have liked the folks that owned it before. I don't like the choices either one of them made. I have a right to say that. It's a free country. The more folks try to control what their neighbors do with their property the less free the country is.

The previous owner could have sold that land to anyone they wanted to - including you. They chose to sell to the TSF. You and I might not like that they sold to the TSF but that was the private property owners choice to make.

The TSF could mine those lands themselves now that they own them - just like the person who owned them before could mine them. The previous owner decided not to mine them, the current owners say they will not mine them. That is a decision for the owner of the property.

If the government had bought those lands they would still be closed to claiming. Lands purchased by the government are not public lands open to claiming. The government owning the land wouldn't have changed anything for miners either.

You couldn't prospect it before. You can't prospect it now. You couldn't claim it if the government had bought it.

Complain about the TSF if you want, I'll probably agree with you. I don't like this purchase any more than you do. I'm not going to be cheerleader for the TSF Sierra Club or anyone else involved in this. Complaining that land was lost? It was never yours to begin with, nothing was lost.

Sage Grouse don't have hardly any fat on them. It would probably take several dozen Sage Grouse to render enough fat to fry just one pair of frog legs. Luckily there are plenty of Sage Grouse.

You will never catch me riding a moped 2cmorau. If you catch me riding a fat girl don't tell my wife.

 

[Oakview2]

The sale is not at question, buyig with taxpayer funds and then excluding anyone but greenies is...

 

[2cmorau]

The $3.25 million acquisition was funded by Proposition 84 funds through the California Natural Resources Agency’s River Parkways Program ($1.9 million) and Sierra Nevada Conservancy ($1 million) in addition to funding from the CalTrans Environmental Enhancement and Mitigation Program ($350,000).

Sounds like tax payer monies to me, just another land grab but controlled by a party as they see fit, it will be ok for them to dig, make trails, kick up dust.

Snow creek was like this, i had to cross a corner of private land to get to the area, in the beginning was ok with the owners, note was left on the windshield of my car if they were not home. one day change of heart, packing up and getting ready to head home they pull up and said they were not comfortable with my crossing, oh well
If private land surrounds public should be a prescriptive easement

 

[Armchair prospector]

I would agree with Clay, but these are funds from taxpayers that made it possible to be acquired, not you and I. They will likely dredge in secret as these types are hypocritical. You don't purchase for no reason.

 

[Goodyguy]

Here in Indiana listed navigable waterways are open to the public no matter if they go through private land or not. Just don't step foot on the bank.

 

[bedrock bubba]

I knew the old man who had a cabin along the river, just above Rice Crossing, Fred was his name. He had two sons who were avid dredgers, and old Fred lived in Grass Valley.

He had some kind of mining set up along the river and used to get a lot of gold, before they built Bullards Bar dam. After the dam went in, the flows washed most of the sand and gravel(and gold) down into Englebright Reservoir. I always wanted to test the area where the river meets the reservoir, as it could be quite rich!

Englebright was built during the 30's to capture all the hydraulic debris that had washed downstream. It must have a bonanza of gold and mercury amalgam in its bottom mud.

 

[Prospector70]

People shouldn't be able to buy Rivers.
I wonder if their purchase also includes water and mineral rights. If not, let's buy the mineral rights out from under them!

 

[2cmorau]

we need to help org. like this one, backdoor deals of private property with tax payer monie should be illegal

 

[Hoser John]

Been a advocate for the Pacific Legal Fund for years-the only real deal out there for miners rights-the rest?? nuttn' but wrongs-John

 

[yodi]

Every time the green wienies win we lose, to me its that simple.