Try to concentrate on the brass buckle

Atrus

Greenie
Aug 16, 2009
13
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western North Carolina
Detector(s) used
Minelab E-Trac
Hi all,

Went out the other day with the still new Minelab E-Trac. Still trying to learn what it is telling me, and I am "startin' to begin to commence" to get the hang of it.

After searching one of the oldest parks in town and digging up several pennies & dimes, a quarter and a gazillion poptop tabs and aluminium screwtops, I decided to call it an evening and head back to the house. On the way back, I passed by a sidewalk which the town had dug up to do some work on the storm drains. I remembered that someone said that whenever they saw this type situation, they always searched it, because that dirt has been sitting undisturbed (and undetected) for YEARS... Ok, Why not. I parked my vehicle & fired the E-Trac up again.

Within minutes I found a wheat penny! Cool! A few aluminum cans, poptops, & screwlids. Well, I guess there's some modern junque thrown in for good measure. Got a nice high pitched tone, solid signal, but the Fe-Co numbers didn't look quite right for a coin. It was a military button. From what I researched, it's a "general service" 2-piece. The design was introduced in 1902. Maybe not so valuable, but, hey, it's my first military button!


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I can make out "an Button Co." on the back, but that's about it.​


A few more bottlecaps later and I turned up a brass belt buckle. I think it may be a buckle from a leather strap on a pouch or bag, rather than a belt buckle because either the tongue has twisted around to the wrong side, or the curve seems to be wrong for holding up one's trousers.


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It is stamped "something-row R.I." at the bottom. Wonder if anyone has any ideas.​

Found another wheat penny, and as I continued searching, an older man came by and wanted to talk. He was interested in the detector.

"Is that a Whites?"

"No, It's a Minelab."

"I got a friend who has a Whites."

"So do I. Whites are excellent machines."

"Will that one tell you what you found?

"Nope, It just tells you what it knows about the metal it's locked onto."

"Then how do you know whether it's any good or not?"

"It tells me everything it knows about what it's locked onto. It tells me how ferrous it is, how conductive it is, how deep it is, and it gives me an audible tone, and the pitch helps me determine whether or not to dig. I have to understand what the machine is telling me. It's kinda like Fox News. It reports, I decide..."

About that time I locked onto a really sweet, high pitched tone which registered 12-47 on the Fe-Co display. It was about 6" down. I unplugged the headphone so he could hear.

"Here, listen to this..."

I let him hear how sweet it sounded, how solid and repeatable it was, and where it rang in on the display. I said, "This is most likely a quarter." I pinpointed it, and dug with the small trowel. It turned out to be some small round aluminum container. I said, "Well, lots of times something sounds good, but turns out to be junk. I handed him the small container. He started to rub it a little and handed it back to me.

"There seems to be some writing on the lid. I believe I'd check it out a little closer before tossing it aside..."

When I went out with Mike, (4-H) he advised that I should carry an old toothbrush to gently brush off coins etc. without hurting them. I took out my old toothbrush and started to gently brush.. A Large "W" came into view. "W--i-d-o-w-s" Brushing back, "y--r--r-e---M" "Merry Widows." What the heck was THAT?! I continued brushing. Along the bottom curve of the lid were the words, "SOLD FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES ONLY" Neither of us had a clue what it was, but I tossed it in my bag and decided to take it home with me.

The old man left and I found another wheat penny. In just a little over an hour I bagged three wheat pennies, a military button, a brass belt buckle, and a strange old tin that contained something that was used for "medical" purposes...

When I came home, my wife asked what I found. I showed her all of my "loot" and started running it under the faucet of the kitchen sink to further brush it clean. When I further cleaned the little container, I handed it to her and asked her to Google "Merry Widows" and see if she could find out what it was. She went into the computer room while I continued to brush the rest of my finds. All of a sudden she yelled out that I really need to come here and SEE this! She found the EXACT picture on the internet, and what it originally contained. Now THAT was funny!!! This "tin" will definitely become a treasured find!


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Hmmmm.... I wonder what "medical" purposes they used this for? :wink:

Anyway, was wondering if anyone might recognize this type belt buckle (remember, the title of this thread) and shed a little more light on it?



P.S. Searching in the dirt piles from dug up sidewalks will DEFINITELY become standard practice for me from now on!
 

Post 1902 Great Seal General Service button is correct. Possibly WWI. See if you can find it on this list. All I can read is__________BUTTON CO. It may be #21 the AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.* 1901-1920.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,212590.0.html






1- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY (back ungilted) WWI (1850-1865 backmark)
2- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY WWI (1850-1865 backmark)
3- SCOVILL MF'G CO. * WATERBURY * 1902-1918 (1870s-? backmark)
4- SCOVILL MF'G CO. WATERBURY CT. WWI (1870s-? backmark)
5- SCOVILL M'FG CO. WATERBURY (ring of dots) 1902 (1860-1880 backmark)
6- WATERBURY BUTTON CO. * 1849-1965
7- WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *CONN.* pre 1965
8- WATERBURY COS INC CONN post 1965
9- W W W W (waterbury) modern
10- W.B. CO.
11- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.- WWI
12- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK- 1877-1923
13- US PRODUCTS CORP
14- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO WWI
15 R. LIEBMANN MFG. CO.-NEWARK NJ-
16- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
17- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
18- HORSTMANN *** PHILA *** 1893-1935
19- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. * WWI
20- N.S. MEYERS * NEW YORK * 1906-2000 (in business in NY)
21- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.* 1901-1920
22- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.* 1902-1917
23- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO. UTICA N.Y. WWI
24- C KENYON CO. NEW YORK WWI- 1930
25- UNIQUE ART MFG CO. NEWARK, N. J.
26- ART METAL WORKS INC -NEWARK, N.J.- 1900-1930 approx.
27- METAL SPECIALTIES Co. ATTLESBURG, MASS. 1940-1945 (painted black)
28- CHAS. FISCHER SPG. CO. NEW YORK WWII?
29- * SUPERIOR QUALITY *
30- GREENWOOD CO * DETROIT MICH *
31- COL BUT WKS RUTHERFORD N.J. WWI
32- COLUMBIA BUTTON WKS*RUTHERFORD,N.J.* WWI
33- NEW YORK BUTTON WORKS WWI (found in France)
34- S & J WATERBURY CT. WWI (found in France)
35- STEELE & JOHNSON * WATERBURY CT * WWI (found in France)
36- JEWELERS PRODUCTS CORP. PROV. R.I. WWI (found in France)
37- SUPREME 172 QUALITY
38- REX PRODUCTS CORP * NEW ROCHELLE, N.Y. * 1902-WWII
39- D. EVANS & CO. * NO. ATTLEBORO, MASS. 1848-1945
40- D. EVANS & CO. N.A. WWI (found in France)
41- D. EVANS & CO ATTLEBORO FALLS WWI
 

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The writing on the buckle I think is Prov. R.I., or Providence Rhode Island. There appears to be several manufactures from that area. Can you see any other writing? There should be a maker's name or mark.
 

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"Syphilis" was rampant in the 1920's.....it got Mr. Capone. I suppose it created a lot of "widows".
I guess enough of them were "Merry"....that they need their own product line.

TiredIron
 

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The Merry Widows are brought up from time to time. There was three of them and they even had names but I don't remember them off hand. I thought by now everyone knew the legend of the Merry Widows. If you search Merry Widows you should find several old posts on them. Monty
 

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72cheyenne said:
The writing on the buckle I think is Prov. R.I., or Providence Rhode Island. There appears to be several manufactures from that area. Can you see any other writing? There should be a maker's name or mark.

I think you're right, 72cheyenne!

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What I thought was the second "bottom" of the "w" is actually the period after the "V."​

As for any other makers marks, or any other marks or symbols, We can't make out anything.

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Here's another pic focused to the left of "ROV. R.I." We cannot make anything else out.​

Should I try to clean it a little more? I still do not think it is a buckle for holding up one's trousers, but more for a saddlebag or strap for some accessory/utility leather bag. My wife is looking on the net right now for buckle manufacturers in Prov, RI.

Jim
 

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And 50 cents. Which was a good chunk of change in those days. I have been looking for your buckle as well Jim to no evail. Have you found any thing?
TiredIron said:
AGNES, MABEL, and BECKIE were the 3 merry widows that created the first condom's in the late 1890's. They were labled washable and resuable...
 

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I found the same button as my first "oldie 4 days ago. The manufacturer is "R L Mfg Co" Newark, NJ. In the same hole was a buffalo nickel (no date).

Both were my first oldies after two years. In fact, it was the first time out since getting a new metal detector.
 

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I found the exact buckle the other in the front yard of a house here in New Berlin, Wi. It is marked the same Prov. R.I.
Have you found out anything.?
Chuck
 

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The buckle is a RAUF Co. Prov. RI. What I found is that they were on spurs from the 40's or 50's. I found one last night identical to the one in your pics, but in near mint condition. See excerpt from article I found below

These way nice old spurs ( my guess vintage 40's-50's ) appear to be either unmarked North and Judd or unmarked Buermann.
Although they look like aluminum, they are way heavier than that. So they're maybe Star steel or something, but they don't quite look or feel like that either . If they ARE aluminum, it's an unusually heavy variety far different from the aluminum Crockett or Ricardo used. I personally think they're some other kind of an alloy---but I'm far from an expert. If anybody out t knows what this is I'm all ears.
At any rate, they're in extremely good shape, and they have way unusual straps on them with maker marks on the buckles that I do not recognize. The straps are fragile--one is broken at the button hole and the other is trying to be break t
The double marks on both buckles say "Rauf Co." on one side and "Prov. RI" on the other side. The buckles being made in the east tends to make me further believe that these are N & J or Buermann, as those makers were in New Jersey and Connecticut.
 

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AGNES, MABEL, and BECKIE were the 3 merry widows that created the first condom's in the late 1890's. They were labled washable and resuable...

Which was washable and reusable .. Agnes, Mabel, and Beckie ...or the condoms? ...Or both??
 

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Carnage1on1 wrote:
> I just dug an identical pair of these buckles this weekend. are they from the 1840s or 1940s?

First, welcome to TreasureNet, and the What-Is-It forum.

The "RAUF & Co. Prov. R.I." buckles are definitely from the 1900s, not the 1800s.
 

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Carnage1on1 wrote:
> I just dug an identical pair of these buckles this weekend. are they from the 1840s or 1940s?

First, welcome to TreasureNet, and the What-Is-It forum.

The "RAUF & Co. Prov. R.I." buckles are definitely from the 1900s, not the 1800s.
Thanks Cannonballguy.
 

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Bavaria says Hello!

A few days ago i detected such a RAUF brass buckle here in Germany/Bavaria/UpperPalatinate in the Schwandorf area, and did some research. Now i am here and say Thanks for the informations!

The imprint was not readable clearly, so i used a very very light abrasive sponge. The leather loop (original?) is light brown colored and looks black now because of using leather grease.


Hope you enjoy the picture.



Servus!
Zeefix

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Cool finds and a nicely composed post. As TheCannonballGuy mentioned, the buckle is 1900's.

Rau Fasteners, established in 1912, was the leading distributor of metal snap fasteners in the nation and played a large role in the Rhode Island economy. According to the Providence Journal, the company was founded by Lues Reiter.

AIR Redevelop :: Westfield Lofts (Rau Fastner)
 

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