has any one out there tried to get one from the u.s.forest service? I know there avalible have a copy of one.
treasure trove permit?
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Re: treasure trove permit
Are You Talking NATIONAL or STATE FORESTS ?
? Here In PA,STATE FORESTS :
The recreational use of State Forest land is quite varied. Some of the most common activities include scenic driving, hunting, camping, hiking and nature watching. Some of the less common uses include hang gliding, dogsledding, and kayaking. Listed below is an inventory of many of the most common uses and the sites, resources and facilities available to accommodate those users.
Information on recreational opportunities can also be found within individual State Forests
Camping
The Bureau of Forestry manages camping in three distinct categories, primitive backpack camping, motorized camping and group camping.
Hiking
Hiking trails have been developed in all 20 Forest Districts. Hiking trails are divided into four categories: National Scenic, State Forest Hiking Trails, local district trails and interpretive tails. For more information on hiking trails, contact the Recreation Section at (717) 783-7941 or by Email. Infomation can also be found within individual State Forest pages.
State Forest Trails Award - Award given to any hiker who completes the entire 780 miles of the State Forest Hiking Trail system.
Old Growth Forests of Pennsylvania - Old growth forests are considered an endangered habitat in Pennsylvania. However, just as with some endangered species, with care, effort, and enough time, forests can recover many of their old growth characteristics.
Mountain Biking
All state forest roads are open to mountain bicycling. In addition, many rail trails and district trails are available for riding.
Horseback Riding
Nearly all of the district trails and roads are available for this use. In addition, 2.1 million acres of state forest land is available for cross-country riding.
Canoeing/Kayaking/Boating/Rafting
Pennsylvania is second only to Alaska in the number of miles of streams in one state. There is also an abundance of lakes and ponds.
Cross-country Skiing
The Bureau of Forestry has cross-country ski trails in almost every forest district. Most of the trails and low-use and gated roads are also available for cross-country skiing when they are snow covered. Contact the State Forest District Office for trail information and maps.
Birding/Nature Observation
Bird watching and nature observation are uses that can potentially occur on the entire 2.1 million acres of state forest land.
Scenic Driving/Pleasure Driving
This is the largest recreational use of state forest lands. Most recreational users participate in this activity coming to and from the state forest, but for many this is the sole purpose of their visit to state forest land.
All-Terrain Vehicle Riding
All-terrain vehicle ownership is at an all time high in the Commonwealth. The current ATV trail system has grown to 10 state forest trail systems.
Motorized Trail Bike Riding
The Bureau of Forestry offers two motorized trail bike (motorcycle) trails. The Seven Mountains Ramble and Shade Mountain trails are both located in portions of Mifflin, Snyder, and Union Counties in the Bald Eagle State Forest. The Seven Mountains Ramble trail is designated for dual-sport (licenced for highway use) trail bikes and the Shade Mountain trail is for non-licenced, off-highway trail bikes. If you wish to have copies of either of these maps, please contact the Bald Eagle State Forest office at 570-922-3344.
Snowmobiling
Snowmobile trails and joint-use roads are maintained in 18 districts across the state. Many of these trails are groomed, and access parking lots are maintained.
Hunting
Hunting in accordance with Pennsylvania Game Laws remains a popular recreational activity on nearly all the forestlands managed by the Bureau of Forestry.
? ? ? ? ? "?State Forest land is host to an almost endless list of other recreational uses. These include astronomy, dog sledding, geo-caching, gold panning, jogging, hang gliding, ice-skating, motorcycle riding, orienteering, photography, rock climbing, rappelling, sleigh riding, sledding, snowboarding, snowshoeing, spelunking, swimming, snorkeling and tubing. All these and more are permitted uses of state forest land. "
therefor? I NEVER Asked & Would NEVER ask? if Detecting/Treasure Hunting Is Allowed.
? ?I Figure It's Inferred And They Are Not Going to Get The Pre-Notice to Discriminate Against Me.
Are You Talking NATIONAL or STATE FORESTS ?
? Here In PA,STATE FORESTS :
The recreational use of State Forest land is quite varied. Some of the most common activities include scenic driving, hunting, camping, hiking and nature watching. Some of the less common uses include hang gliding, dogsledding, and kayaking. Listed below is an inventory of many of the most common uses and the sites, resources and facilities available to accommodate those users.
Information on recreational opportunities can also be found within individual State Forests
Camping
The Bureau of Forestry manages camping in three distinct categories, primitive backpack camping, motorized camping and group camping.
Hiking
Hiking trails have been developed in all 20 Forest Districts. Hiking trails are divided into four categories: National Scenic, State Forest Hiking Trails, local district trails and interpretive tails. For more information on hiking trails, contact the Recreation Section at (717) 783-7941 or by Email. Infomation can also be found within individual State Forest pages.
State Forest Trails Award - Award given to any hiker who completes the entire 780 miles of the State Forest Hiking Trail system.
Old Growth Forests of Pennsylvania - Old growth forests are considered an endangered habitat in Pennsylvania. However, just as with some endangered species, with care, effort, and enough time, forests can recover many of their old growth characteristics.
Mountain Biking
All state forest roads are open to mountain bicycling. In addition, many rail trails and district trails are available for riding.
Horseback Riding
Nearly all of the district trails and roads are available for this use. In addition, 2.1 million acres of state forest land is available for cross-country riding.
Canoeing/Kayaking/Boating/Rafting
Pennsylvania is second only to Alaska in the number of miles of streams in one state. There is also an abundance of lakes and ponds.
Cross-country Skiing
The Bureau of Forestry has cross-country ski trails in almost every forest district. Most of the trails and low-use and gated roads are also available for cross-country skiing when they are snow covered. Contact the State Forest District Office for trail information and maps.
Birding/Nature Observation
Bird watching and nature observation are uses that can potentially occur on the entire 2.1 million acres of state forest land.
Scenic Driving/Pleasure Driving
This is the largest recreational use of state forest lands. Most recreational users participate in this activity coming to and from the state forest, but for many this is the sole purpose of their visit to state forest land.
All-Terrain Vehicle Riding
All-terrain vehicle ownership is at an all time high in the Commonwealth. The current ATV trail system has grown to 10 state forest trail systems.
Motorized Trail Bike Riding
The Bureau of Forestry offers two motorized trail bike (motorcycle) trails. The Seven Mountains Ramble and Shade Mountain trails are both located in portions of Mifflin, Snyder, and Union Counties in the Bald Eagle State Forest. The Seven Mountains Ramble trail is designated for dual-sport (licenced for highway use) trail bikes and the Shade Mountain trail is for non-licenced, off-highway trail bikes. If you wish to have copies of either of these maps, please contact the Bald Eagle State Forest office at 570-922-3344.
Snowmobiling
Snowmobile trails and joint-use roads are maintained in 18 districts across the state. Many of these trails are groomed, and access parking lots are maintained.
Hunting
Hunting in accordance with Pennsylvania Game Laws remains a popular recreational activity on nearly all the forestlands managed by the Bureau of Forestry.
? ? ? ? ? "?State Forest land is host to an almost endless list of other recreational uses. These include astronomy, dog sledding, geo-caching, gold panning, jogging, hang gliding, ice-skating, motorcycle riding, orienteering, photography, rock climbing, rappelling, sleigh riding, sledding, snowboarding, snowshoeing, spelunking, swimming, snorkeling and tubing. All these and more are permitted uses of state forest land. "
therefor? I NEVER Asked & Would NEVER ask? if Detecting/Treasure Hunting Is Allowed.
? ?I Figure It's Inferred And They Are Not Going to Get The Pre-Notice to Discriminate Against Me.
Born2Dtect
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I would agree Jeff. If they allow ATVs, motor cycles, 4X4 vehicles, and SUV's to ride the trails then they should welcome a good responsible Detectorist.
Ed
Ed
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ecdonovan said:
have you recently had an epiphony, Ed?
Whitewings
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Here in Port Angeles Washington you need a permit to detect on any city property including Parks, you might check (by phone) with city, state and of course the feds. Be sure to get the name of the person who gave you the information.
JACKOJohn Stanwix
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Just Look --- If your talking about a treasure trove lisence, to look for hidden Spanish treasure or anything like it. Here's what is needed in AZ.
1) the invironmental people and biologist (Ithink both not sure) come oout and inspect are for animals of indangered species, certain flowers or cactus etc. If any are here no way Jose.
2) I think I was told you can only do 4 areas at a time.
3) Must prove to state you have a ligit treasure site.
4) If all is OK then you put up $250.
5) it'll take a couple of months to get approval after the INviro./Bio people turn in their repot.
6) some people are allowed (depending on are to use dynamite).
7) Here's the biggy--- What ever you find goes into a vault for 4 years, then after 4 years the GOV. has one year to decide if you get anything at all. If you do get something then it's up to the GOV. to say how much percent. Then you have to pay taxes on what ever they let you have. So, that's 5 yrs. on a maybe and you lose out on all the money you have spent in finding the treasure.
8) Now is that a GOOD deal or WHAT
? All this is what I was told by a professional hunter in AZ
Jacko
1) the invironmental people and biologist (Ithink both not sure) come oout and inspect are for animals of indangered species, certain flowers or cactus etc. If any are here no way Jose.
2) I think I was told you can only do 4 areas at a time.
3) Must prove to state you have a ligit treasure site.
4) If all is OK then you put up $250.
5) it'll take a couple of months to get approval after the INviro./Bio people turn in their repot.
6) some people are allowed (depending on are to use dynamite).
7) Here's the biggy--- What ever you find goes into a vault for 4 years, then after 4 years the GOV. has one year to decide if you get anything at all. If you do get something then it's up to the GOV. to say how much percent. Then you have to pay taxes on what ever they let you have. So, that's 5 yrs. on a maybe and you lose out on all the money you have spent in finding the treasure.
8) Now is that a GOOD deal or WHAT
? All this is what I was told by a professional hunter in AZJacko
gollum
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Well, depending on what you find, you may have a whole slew of problems other than what Uncle Sam says you can have.
If it is Spanish, since this was their land back then, they can and will sue for anything you find (100%). Uncle Sam can also claim Imminent Domain, if your treasure trove has anything of historical value (they don't have to give you a thing).
If it is a recovery from a robbery or wreck, and the initial loss was insured, the insurance company lawyers will MOST DEFINATELY sue for the entire trove, as they paid it off originally (Don't believe me, just look at the raising of the treasure of the SS Central America).
And don't forget about Pirates (Both land and Sea based). If you claim your treasure trove through public documentation, anyone who sees your paperwork could tell anyone else they wanted about the find. While you are waiting for all the approvals, someone else might sneak in and rob you blind!
Not to put you off, but just some things to think about!
Good Luck-Mike
If it is Spanish, since this was their land back then, they can and will sue for anything you find (100%). Uncle Sam can also claim Imminent Domain, if your treasure trove has anything of historical value (they don't have to give you a thing).
If it is a recovery from a robbery or wreck, and the initial loss was insured, the insurance company lawyers will MOST DEFINATELY sue for the entire trove, as they paid it off originally (Don't believe me, just look at the raising of the treasure of the SS Central America).
And don't forget about Pirates (Both land and Sea based). If you claim your treasure trove through public documentation, anyone who sees your paperwork could tell anyone else they wanted about the find. While you are waiting for all the approvals, someone else might sneak in and rob you blind!
Not to put you off, but just some things to think about!
Good Luck-Mike
JACKOJohn Stanwix
Sr. Member
The info I got came from aman who's found AZ treasure before and showed me a video of one he was working on at present. ON the side of a clif was a big 3 the bottom of the 3 was curved down to an Omega, several tons of it, leaning against the cliff and a straight drop off at edge of Omega. He showed me his license and permits. He is well know by the state and even gave him a permit to dynamite if needed. I wouldn't mind paying for the permits and stuff, but waiting a total of 5 yrs. before I knew If I got and anything.
In this video they used very large air bags to move the Omega and when it finally moved it rolled down the hill side a long ways, pretty cool.
Jacko
In this video they used very large air bags to move the Omega and when it finally moved it rolled down the hill side a long ways, pretty cool.
Jacko
I knew three guys who found a cave,entered it and cleaned it out of native American treasure. While disposing of some of the treasure,the government found out and had them thrown in jail. Although the cave was from an earlier civilization, they gave the Cherokee jurisdiction over the bones and relics. The three men served 10 years in prison. One now has a huge mansion on top of a hill and two new vehicles.The other two, I don't know their whereabouts. I guess prison must pay well. rockhound
creeper71
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Jeff an Born2 I would rethink your opinion about detecting in State Forest of PA... I know for a fact (cause I did ask) that if you are caught without permission to dig/disurb dirt it is 1000.00 fine for each hole that you had dug... I have permission to detect an dig old dumps for bottles,cause they know my face an know I am resepctful to their property,but if your just going to go without permission good luck an pray a game warden doesn't see ya...Born2Dtect said:
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