TOO MANY DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS STILL NOTHING POSITIVE

[franklin]

Over my 52 years of working on the Beale Treasure, I have seen at least 100 different solutions. They come like a burst of fireworks on the 4th of July and they disappear just like the sunset. Every solution is proclaimed positive, yet some of them are down right silly. Yet the solutions keep coming. I for once would like to see something positive. I know my solution was 67% accurate with 2 out of every 3 repeat ciphers on the same letter. But some claims get so outlandish they carry the treasure to other states. They dig up the treasure carry it around Florida and rebury it in Missouri. Others meet Mexican Ghost on Sharp Top Mountain and receive the clear text from the ghost. Some find wolf heads in the codes and say it is buried on Wolf Creek. Another used her Bible to decipher it at the Mill near Buford's Tavern. Some say it is buried near Roanoke, Va. Some on Read Mountain. Others say it is the Bruton Baptist Night Templar's Treasure. Others say it came from Yorktown during the Revolutionary War. And yet others say it is Confederate Gold from the Civil War. Two Chambers on top of Porter's Mountain claim a 1980's solution. One claim was in an ice house in North Goose Creek. One solution from Ohio said it was in a cave but was now gone. One say the treasure was on the Old Buchannon Turnpike another at the Blackhorse Gap Tavern. The solutions are endless and yet others keep trying to find the treasure.


If you examine the story you will see that the entire story is made up. Nothing but fiction by a cleaver author that did not want his name revealed. Keep searching one day someone may get lucky by finding another treasure and claiming it is the Beale Treasure. There is no Beale Treasure.

 

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[audigger53]

Don't disagree with you, but I'm waiting to see how many yell at you.

 

[tad10]

If you examine the story you will see that the entire story is made up. Nothing but fiction by a cleaver author that did not want his name revealed.Keep searching one day someone may get lucky by finding another treasure and claiming it is the Beale Treasure. There is no Beale Treasure.

There is no Beale Treasure as described in the Beale Papers and in the supposedly deciphered Cipher Two. However, whether the Beale Ciphers hide items of value or whether it is a hoax remains an open question.

 

[bigscoop]

Here's the way I see it. After all the years in passing since it's publication and still not one single thing that can be directly connected to the tale despite the endless and repeated efforts to do so by many of the best in the business, the same being said of the ciphers. I think this speaks volumes as to any possible resolve, if in fact there ever was a real mystery to solve, which seems quite a reach at this point.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Don't disagree with you, but I'm waiting to see how many yell at you.

LMAO!

 

[ECS]

The Beale Papers job pamphlet is a well written adventure treasure dime novel that contain just enough information to make the story believable and fire the hopes of those who think they can crack the ciphers that lead to a fabulous treasure and fame and fortune.

 

[tad10]

The Beale Papers job pamphlet is a well written adventure treasure dime novel that contain just enough information to make the story believable and fire the hopes of those who think they can crack the ciphers that lead to a fabulous treasure and fame and fortune.

No. It is more than just a dime novel. Either the Cipher is one of the more elaborate hoaxes in history or it actually hides lost treasures. One of the major problems with the Beale is that deciphering it is not a job for just one person; in part because everyone is subject to his own bias concerning the Cipher and thus tends to see those things that agree with his bias and not see those things that disagree with his bias.

 

[franklin]

No. It is more than just a dime novel. Either the Cipher is one of the more elaborate hoaxes in history or it actually hides lost treasures. One of the major problems with the Beale is that deciphering it is not a job for just one person; in part because everyone is subject to his own bias concerning the Cipher and thus tends to see those things that agree with his bias and not see those things that disagree with his bias.

No one has any proof whatsoever of the Beale Expedition ever occurring there is nothing anywhere not even in the Spanish Archives which you can now read on line. The Spanish Governor in Sante Fe kept accurate records. they kept records of vaccines, lost donkeys or mules, property stolen, visitors to their city. Every expedition that came into Sante Fe is listed with their names. But wait there is nothing and I mean nothing on any of the 30 men, their guides, their cooks and certainly not any of their names. And they did not purchase any mining supplies from the Spanish. The Spanish kept James Pursley under house arrest for 17 years because he told them he knew where there was some gold and he had a few nuggets in his shot pouch to prove it. He did not show them or tell them where he found the gold and he was not released until the Mexican Independence in 1822. He then traveled east with the Jacob Fowler expedition to St. Louis, MO.

 

[tad10]

No one has any proof whatsoever of the Beale Expedition ever occurring

The existence or non-existence of the purported Beale Expedition has nothing whatsoever to do with whether the Beale Ciphers are a hoax or not.

 

[Old Silver]

No one has any proof whatsoever of the Beale Expedition ever occurring there is nothing anywhere not even in the Spanish Archives which you can now read on line. The Spanish Governor in Sante Fe kept accurate records. they kept records of vaccines, lost donkeys or mules, property stolen, visitors to their city. Every expedition that came into Sante Fe is listed with their names. But wait there is nothing and I mean nothing on any of the 30 men, their guides, their cooks and certainly not any of their names. And they did not purchase any mining supplies from the Spanish. The Spanish kept James Pursley under house arrest for 17 years because he told them he knew where there was some gold and he had a few nuggets in his shot pouch to prove it. He did not show them or tell them where he found the gold and he was not released until the Mexican Independence in 1822. He then traveled east with the Jacob Fowler expedition to St. Louis, MO.

And the Jacob Fowler expedition met the Beale expedition somewhere in Kansas territory in 1822, right?

 

[ECS]

The existence or non-existence of the purported Beale Expedition has nothing whatsoever to do with whether the Beale Ciphers are a hoax or not.

...but if the story is a contrived fiction, the ciphers are fruit from the poisoned tree.

 

[ECS]

And the Jacob Fowler expedition met the Beale expedition somewhere in Kansas territory in 1822, right?

What is the source of this lore of Fowler meeting the Beale Expedition?
Chronicles of Oklahoma

 

[franklin]

The existence or non-existence of the purported Beale Expedition has nothing whatsoever to do with whether the Beale Ciphers are a hoax or not.

That is new one but of course it does. It means the whole story is fabricated.

 

[tad10]

...but if the story is a contrived fiction, the ciphers are fruit from the poisoned tree.

That does not logically follow at all. We're left in almost exactly the same state as before: either the Beale is an elaborate hoax or it describes the location of hidden items. The only difference is that if it does describe the location of hidden items those items have nothing to do with the items and bullion described by the Beale Papers.

Though I suppose the fact I believe the Beale story is fiction also goes to the Masonic theory, right? Which is not a hoax in the 'traditional sense' of the word if the Beale is actually meant to describe some Masonic something or other. YMMV of course.

 

[ECS]

...or it is just a adventure/treasure dime novel of the period with play along ciphers as a parlor entertainment.

 

[tad10]

...or it is just a adventure/treasure dime novel of the period with play along ciphers as a parlor entertainment.

The Beale ciphers are not even remotely appropriate for parlor entertainment, unless the parlor is composed entirely of professional or serious amateur cryptographers.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

The Beale ciphers are not even remotely appropriate for parlor entertainment, unless the parlor is composed entirely of professional or serious amateur cryptographers.

With COMPUTERS...? ALREADY been done!

 

[ECS]

The Beale ciphers are not even remotely appropriate for parlor entertainment, unless the parlor is composed entirely of professional or serious amateur cryptographers.

In 1885, there were many people in Virginia who had been involved with codes and ciphers during the War, so these ciphers would not be an unusual parlor entertainment.

 

[tad10]

In 1885, there were many people in Virginia who had been involved with codes and ciphers during the War, so these ciphers would not be an unusual parlor entertainment.

Twenty-three page ciphers that haven't been broken in 150+ years were the usual parlor entertainment in Lynchburg VA in 1885? I find that hard to believe.

 

[tad10]

With COMPUTERS...? ALREADY been done!

That's because every computer attack assumed Beale One and Three were encoded in the same manner as Beale Two (first word of a document as Two was with DOI) which isn't the case at all. So garbage in, garbage out. If you actually know what you're supposed to be looking for, instead of just comparing the first words of random texts, computers could help immensely.