Three ring bullet but supposedly modern from what people say on here.

[clf_02]

Big three ring bullet supposedly post civil war based on the rings. So what's it from?

 

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[Bryanhashemi]

Look like late 1800's. post civil war.

 

[clf_02]

I know that's what the rings mean. So what gun?

 

[Bryanhashemi]

.45-79 Springfield 1873 possibly

 

[Bryanhashemi]

.45 70 I mean

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Dimensions in thousandths of an inch would help. .45-70 Gov is a good guess just from shape.

 

[Critical Recovery]

Yeah, I will third that. Looks like a late 1800s .45-70.

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

Added link and photos.

Not a .45-70 bullet. It is definitely a .50-70-450 bullet, for the US Springfield Model-1866 (or '68, '69, or '70 rifle.

To see your .50-70 bullet in a Benet-primed casing, go here and click on the first image at left. PictureTrail: Online Photo Sharing, Social Network, Image Hosting, Online Photo Albums

To help clarify things for y'all, here are photos showing the differences between a .50-70-450 and the three versions of .45-70 bullets. All of these were dug in "Wild West" sites, such as the Fort Custer outdoor target-range.
three bullets: fired 1-inch Gatling, a possibly-fired .45-70-300, and a fired .50-70-450
two bullets: fired .45-70-500, fired .45-70-405

The other photo shows an original 1880 bulletmold marked "Winchester" and ".45-70-450". Note the distinctive flat-tipped nose on the bullet it would cast.

 

[Critical Recovery]

Not a .45-70 bullet. It is definitely a .50-70-450 bullet, for the US Springfield Model-1866 (or '68, '69, or '70 rifle.

I stand corrected. When THIS guys says it, it's pretty much law.

 

[Bryanhashemi]

Yep got me. Felt like I got slapped!j/k

 

[clf_02]

The rungs have the little lines in them. So would that make it the later model

 

[clf_02]

Rings not rungs...typo

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

Clf_02 is right, the tiny multiple parallel ridges (called "reeding) inside the bullet's body-grooves mean it is the machine-made (not cast) post-1870s version.

 

[clf_02]

So when was that rifle in production til

 

[skeeterd]

That bullet was used in number of different guns by different manufacturers. The .45-70 is still produced today in modern rifles and reproductions.

 

[skeeterd]

Oops! I still thought it was a 45-70 bullet. The 50-70 is still made as a reproduction, but I have no idea when the different gun companies stopped building the origanals.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

TheCannonBallGuy isn't somene I 'd usually second guess, but I can come up with .457" three-ringers that look pretty close. Without measurements and a weight it is guess-work.



This is a "Gould" style and was the first mould Ideal offerred in the 1880's. Reeding would indicate a swaged bullet of more modern processing; but that isn't clear in the original images.

Or a .43 Mauser



Or an 11.3mm Beaumont



Both sold by Bannerman's in the US as cheap surplus.

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

Clf02 wrote:
> So when was that rifle in production til?

Historical data shows 136,750 of the "Government" .50-70 rifles were produced between 1866 and 1873, at the US government's Springfield (MA) Armory. Government production ceased in 1873, due to adoption in that year of the newly-developed .45-70 rifle as the main longarm of the US Army. However, the .50-70 was also produced by several non-government gunmakers, notably Winchester and Sharps, into the 1880s. The .50-70 was very popular with civilians for hunting extra-large game animals such as buffalo, moose, and bear, because its big heavy .50-caliber bullet gave it superior knock-down power over the .45-70 and other smaller caliber rifles. It is still poplular today, which is why several gun-manufacturing companies still make Reproductions of the .50-70 rifle.

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

Charlie P., I appreciate your respect ...which I try hard to deserve. I also appreciate (and respect) your many knowledgeable contributions to this forum.

I'm 100%-certain that Clf_02's bullet is a .50-70-450, and also that it is a pre-20th-Century one. Note how small the flat tip on its nose is. Then check the photo of the Benet-primed one at the webiste I linked. (Also see the bulletmold photo I posted.) Later reproductions have a wider flat tip.

Also, the length of its nose (above the body-grooves) is the same as the Fort Custer (Montana) target-range specimen I posted. The Montana Fort Custer was built in 1877 and closed in 1898.

Regarding its diameter:
Compare it with the .58 Minie-ball it sits beside in Clf_02's photo. It is definitely not a .45 bullet. Still, to give confirmation to any who desire it, Clf_02 can easily put his bullet on a ruler to see if it is less than .50-inch wide, and tell us the result.

 

[Tayloid]

I know this is an old thread. But I was curious to know. In the picture of the 2 .50 70-450 bullets. Specifically the 500 grain bullet. Do you happen to know who made them? I’ve been finding a bunch of those exact ones but finding info on them has proved rather difficult. Thank you!