this ones for u digemall, homeade shells???

[chong2]

found in a 1800 boom town, both have no markings at all. they seem to be rimfire but firing pin marks are in the center. we will start with the shorter one. it is about 1/2 a cenimeter shorter than a modern 44 rem mag shell. the base is exactly the same size around as a 44 rem mag. looking inside the shell at the base here are 2 holes similar to a berdan primer,again seems to be rimfire but a centerfire pin marking. larger shell, much larger base, may actually be a rifle shell,seems to have been broken in half. it is a very fragile shell. same thing looks like a rimfire. also on both about 1/2 cenimeter up from the rim there is a ring that goes all the way around the shell, maybe a two piece design??

 

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[DigEmAll]

This is what I believe to be a Benet-primed cartridge from the late 1860's.  Produced at the Frankford Arsenal.  The primer is put in from the mouth and crimped into the base, resulting in the crimp line that you can see just up from the base. 

As for caliber, hard to say without actually measuring the casing.  Probably .44 or .45 as these were common for the time.  This type was used extensively in a number of early military pistol cartridges.

I may be able to come up with more info later.

 

[chong2]

lol, see digemall is the man, i tried to stump but couldnt
ill be getting out a little bit more soon as i get my camelback, probally give me a extra 2 hrs in this heat, alot of neat older shells in these areas
good job

 

[DigEmAll]

I have been stumped before... but only once.

It was MY OWN FIND.

Here's a pic.

 

[chong2]

wow, oddball looks like a 44 necked down to .380 lol. i actually have a live one similar. i think its 44 necked down to maybe .357 yours looks necked down much smaller

 

[DigEmAll]

I did finally figure out what it was... actually, I had help from someone.... Junkdigger I believe, but I was completely stumped on this one.

It's a US military cartridge.

Headstamp is FA 5 08.

Made exactly as is, not necked down.

 

[DigEmAll]

Sorry, forgot to say-

It's a .45 blank made at the Frankfort Arsenal and used in 1909 double action revolvers.

 

[chong2]

i was just about to ask what it was made for.....good timing
i have a few i think 30'06 blanks, pretty sure lake city found at a old rr stop. actually a few miles from there my friend uncovered a entire belt of .50. i only have one remaining since we desided few pounds of unstable shells burried for years are not good to keeparound, we made good use of the still active powder too

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

ALLO Chung: Just found your lead, sorry that I let digemout beat me to it.

The larger case is a 50 70 - 450. It was very shorly changed to the external primer for many reasons, mainly for more positive ignition.

Don Tropical Tramp

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

[diving doc
[Were these two part casings or is that just the picture? So are you saying that it was just poor brass that made the extractor rip thru, not the fault of the weapon that caused the jam? I know that extractors leave a finger print as well
Doc
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The service Sprigfied had a very strong extracting system, however in order to use the intenal primer the case head had to be drawn thin enough so that a weak fireing spring/pin would still indent the base sufficiently to ignite the charge. This created problems because the extractor could actually tear through the thin rim of the base and not eject.

Yes extractors do leave a finger print, in fact useing riifleing for id of a weapon is the poorest way. as Digemout can tell you. However this is not how I id's the csrtridges in the other post "help with ammo id" , and discovered that at least 3 different weapons were used.

Tropical Tramp

 

[DigEmAll]

Your .50 cal round is a 1943 Remington Arms round. The others that you said were Lake City would have an L C headstamp.

Doc, the casings that this post is about are not two piece. It's just the way the picture looks. That is the crimp line rolled into the casing to keep the Benet primer from moving inside the casing.

Senor, I think Doc was refering to the 45-70's in the other post. I'll address his questions over there in that post.

 

[DigEmAll]

Anytime.