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Article summed it up, no benefit to the community in tax revenue, only a burden on services. And when asked about intended use when land was put into trust- "Housing" and are there plans for a casino "No". Spoken just like there enviro counterparts. Ask the towns across the state how many would vote for a casino if they could do it over again.
 

Makes me sad to have to admit that I have Native American blood in my veins. (Lakota)

While I was living in San Diego they put in several of the casinos and I can tell you that it messed up so much stuff it wasn't funny. A prime example is the Borona Casino located between Ramona and Lakeside on Wildcat Canyon Rd. This road was dangerous enough to start with. Narrow, twisting and in many areas there's no line of sight around corners. Now add tour buses on that same road that take up a lane and a half and it turned out to be a recipe for disaster. Now add to THAT... People driving back from the casino drunk off their ever lovin a$$e$. Get the picture? Sure the tribe did road improvements on the section of the road that was on THEIR land, but the worst parts of that road are well off of the reservation. They made all kinds of promises that they'd pay to get the road redone all the way into town. Well they don't control CalTrans and that road from Lakeside to the entrance to the reservation is still a death trap.

Native Americans have always complained about the "Lies of the white man" and yet in many of these casino cases they have proven to be no better than those they have complained about for centuries. I also noticed in the articles that it was a TRIBAL enviro impact report. I'm positive that one from a disinterested third party would show a lot more problems that were included in the report they submitted. And oh my! They're going to pay for one additional cop and cruiser? LOL What a joke!!!! Weekend crowds will overwhelm that office in a matter of minutes! And the county is still going to have to waste time and manpower to patrol the area with officers that could be better used elsewhere!

Since this "Indian Gaming" thing started up I've seen 8 or so casinos opened up in remote areas of San Diego county. Every one of them has had major problems of some sort start up in areas that were once peaceful. This is not something that any sane community would or should want.
 

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Makes me sad to have to admit that I have Native American blood in my veins. (Lakota)

While I was living in San Diego they put in several of the casinos and I can tell you that it messed up so much stuff it wasn't funny. A prime example is the Borona Casino located between Ramona and Lakeside on Wildcat Canyon Rd. This road was dangerous enough to start with. Narrow, twisting and in many areas there's no line of sight around corners. Now add tour buses on that same road that take up a lane and a half and it turned out to be a recipe for disaster. Now add to THAT... People driving back from the casino drunk off their ever lovin a$$e$. Get the picture? Sure the tribe did road improvements on the section of the road that was on THEIR land, but the worst parts of that road are well off of the reservation. They made all kinds of promises that they'd pay to get the road redone all the way into town. Well they don't control CalTrans and that road from Lakeside to the entrance to the reservation is still a death trap.

Native Americans have always complained about the "Lies of the white man" and yet in many of these casino cases they have proven to be no better than those they have complained about for centuries. I also noticed in the articles that it was a TRIBAL enviro impact report. I'm positive that one from a disinterested third party would show a lot more problems that were included in the report they submitted. And oh my! They're going to pay for one additional cop and cruiser? LOL What a joke!!!! Weekend crowds will overwhelm that office in a matter of minutes! And the county is still going to have to waste time and manpower to patrol the area with officers that could be better used elsewhere!

Since this "Indian Gaming" thing started up I've seen 8 or so casinos opened up in remote areas of San Diego county. Every one of them has had major problems of some sort start up in areas that were once peaceful. This is not something that any sane community would or should want.
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This is most likely the way the Indians felt when white man invaded the land his grandfathers n parents were just trying to live a peacefull life on, you know raise a family live the Native American dream ?
 

Let me preface. I'm not prejudice against tribal members. My high school sweetheart was a tribal member. Later, I was married to a woman who was 50% tribal member (her father was full). We divorced years ago. My son, who is an awesome young man, is 25%...so, I have a lot of contact with tribal members who still consider me, and I consider them, to be relatives and friends (some very close friends).

One thing I have learned through this experience and by living on the reservation for most of my life, is that the tribal councils are focused on one thing...making money and extending the influence of their power. Whether it is farming their land; logging their land; casinos; hatcheries; etc., its will satisfy this goal in one way or another.

I do not believe that they are trying to shut down dredging access due to environmental concerns. The idea that they are stewards of the land is not totaling false...but, it is not totally true either. It is my opinion that there is a income generating angle within their efforts to shut down dredging...or, at the very least, there is something that will benefit tribal members or offer a form of additional power. If there is an endeavor that is worthy enough for them to invest money to accomplish (whether it is lawyers, buildings, etc.)--no matter what it is--it is invested with the idea of generating income or extending power in some way.

Again, this is just my opinion that I have formed through many years of dealings...but, I think it is a valid opinion.
 

The casinos are a Vegas front plain and simple. Vegas funds them, endorses them, and profits from them. Vegas uses the Soverign Nation status of tribal land to introduce gambling in states where it"s not legal.
 

fowledup said:
The casinos are a Vegas front plain and simple. Vegas funds them, endorses them, and profits from them. Vegas uses the Soverign Nation status of tribal land to introduce gambling in states where it"s not legal.
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Not in our area. I'm am very good friends with the Tribal Council leaders and they are not into profit-sharing...its about generating tribal income. Maybe the tribe in your region has a different philosophy.
 

gold tramp said:
This is most likely the way the Indians felt when white man invaded the land his grandfathers n parents were just trying to live a peacefull life on, you know raise a family live the Native American dream ?
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Untrue statement Gold tramp - The Indians were not living a peaceful life. They were constantly at war with the other tribes. In-fact, killing another tribe member is what would bring you to a higher status in your own tribe. kidnapping of women and children was a common theme. I am not condemming the indian way of life, just pointing out the facts.

I have studied the Sioux/Dakota tribe vs. the Chippewa/Ojibwe tribes in Minnesota and I can refer you to books by actual Indians about their lives if you would like.
 

i should rephrase my statement. I know for fact, and it is common knowledge, where the local tribes in my area borrowed the money to build the casinos from.
 

Fowled makes a good point. I seem to remember the name "Harrahs" (spelling?) on many an "Indian" Casino in San Diego.
 

Alot of good our comments would do going here.......

Written comments on the TEIR can be submitted to the following address if postmarked by Dec. 27:
Karuk Tribe
Attn: Scott Quinn
P.O. Box 1016
Happy Camp, CA 96039
 

These Indian casino's are huge in Minnesota - Mystic lake Casino in Prior Lake is one of the biggest in the USA. I guess it's pay back time for those who go there and waste their money. If people didn't go there in the thousands each day, it's wouldn't survive. Mystic makes millions each month. Who's to blame? :dontknow:
 

I think I saw some yellow legged frogs on that property, Hint Hint.........
 

and Yosmite toads, and spotted owl as well. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch:icon_santa::laughing7:
 

gold tramp said:
This is most likely the way the Indians felt when white man invaded the land his grandfathers n parents were just trying to live a peacefull life on, you know raise a family live the Native American dream ?
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If you want to read a book on peaceful life get this book. It will blow your mind and you will loose a few hours of sleep at first. You cannot read this straight through, you have to put it down between chapters to say holy F**K many times.

Captured by the Indians: 15 Firsthand Accounts, 1750-1870 by Frederick Drimmer | 9780486249018 | Paperback | Barnes & Noble
 

[h=2]Karuk Strike Yet Again[/h]Politically oriented information, blasts, kudo's for politician’s (probably won't be many of those)

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[h=3]Karuk Strike Yet Again[/h]by Hoser John » Wed Dec 25, 2013 8:41 am
An irrigation district in Siskiyou County has settled a lawsuit to provide more water for coho salmon in the Shasta River.

The settlement provides from 2,250 acre-feet of water a year to 11,000 acre-feet to be released from Dwinnell Dam, which creates Lake Shastina, to make sure there is enough water for the endangered salmon downstream in the river.

Before the agreement signed Dec. 20, the fish were getting only a couple hundred acre-feet of water annually, said Craig Tucker, Klamath coordinator for the Karuk Tribe, which sued the Montague Water Conservation District along with the Klamath Riverkeeper.

“We worked hard to find a solution that would start the fisheries restoration process but keep our neighbors in agriculture whole,” said Buster Attebery, Karuk chairman.

The settlement also requires the district to get an “incidental take” permit, required under the federal endangered species act. The district is also increasing water flows from Parks Creek, a tributary to the Shasta River, and installing fish screens in the creek to protect the fish.

The district has also agreed to pay $550,000 in legal fees over the next six years to the Klamath Riverkeeper and the tribe, the district said in a statement.

District officials said the costs to the district are a burden and the has been forced it to lay off all but one of its employees.

“The financial reality was that MWCD had to settle the lawsuit or permanently close its doors for the simple fact it could not afford to continue and defend itself in this complex, aggressive lawsuit,” a statement issued by the district board of directors says.

The district provides irrigation to more than 220 farms and other agricultural operations in the Shasta Valley, as well as drinking water to the city of Montague.

Tucker said the amount of water released from Dwinnell Dam into the Shasta River, a tributary to the Klamath River, will vary annually depending on how much water is available from rainfall and snow runoff.

“Since Dwinnell Dam was built in 1926, nearly the entire river has been diverted, leaving salmon high and dry. This has been a key factor in the decline of ESA (Endangered Species Act) listed coho salmon,” said Leaf Hillman, the Karuk’s director of natural resources.

Their plan to toyally destroy,close and run off ALL USERS in norther kalif is progressing nicely. This war on user groups is nuttn' but smoke screen,bs and outright lies to further their agenda. Kill dredging check--kill farmers check--build casinos as we all know it's their tradition is to erect drying racks amongst the glitter of a casino going KACHING 24/7--oh the friggn' insanity....sic sic sic shat-John
 

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