The Northern Spotted Owl has been listed under the California Endangered Species Act

[bigAUdog]

Guys the enviro-nuts are NOT going to allow us to even look at the woods or water in the future. Just more BS coming out of Cali that will/does impact all mining activity.

SACRAMENTO, CALIF.
Wildlife officials say the northern spotted owl has been listed under the California Endangered Species Act.

The state's Fish and Game Commission voted unanimously on Friday to add the threatened bird to the list, ending a four-year process by the Environmental Protection Information Center, or EPIC. AP

Read more here: Northern spotted owl added to endangered species list | The Sacramento Bee

 

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[Tuberale]

As one of those "enviro-nuts", I don't see how this is going to impact your gold hunting at all. NSO like old growth forests. How much gold hunting do you do in old growth forests?

 

[delnorter]

This type of listing / regulation affect all users, of both public and private lands, in included areas. Besides the initial restrictions / limitations, there is always an expansion of these rulings of an unforeseen nature. The modern game / land managers see a listing like this as blank canvas on which they can paint the picture we all must view. I really dread the potential impact this could have on the folks of the area in which I live.

Mike

 

[spaghettigold]

Don,t worry,there,s a Endangered species for every kind of forest. Bit by Bit...
just last year they forbidd prospecting with showel in a whole state here and there are indications (But i can,t tell 100 percent) that a bird lover with agencie backround fomented the case because he saw goldpanners near where his loved owls nested.
Short time before the new ruling came out ,he posted in a forum how the noise of the prospectors showeling could cause the owls to leave theyre babybirds,bragged about his agencie backround and how he organised a tour with the local authorities to show them the diggings of the bad prospectors that endangered his personal birdwatching porn experience.Short time later the new rulings came out .
Funny thing is that later some prospectors found the same species nesting in a active quarry.
But theres no going back once they pass the new restrictions ,because denying acces is the endgoal.

Talking about funghi..i am an avid collector and tried to make a buck selling mostly boletus edulis .But the enviromental law wan,t let me collect more the 2 pound of mushrooms per day legally.You can,t make a buck with 2 pound,so i tried and asked if there,s some licence or whatever i can do to collect more of them legally.Answer,No because enviromental laws. Ok i said ,whats wrong enviromentally with collecting mushrooms?Answer,collecting mushrooms damages the mushroom population.A lie as also recent studies prooved.
After the studie came out a reporter talked to a agencie responsible and asked if after the results of the studies the laws for mushroom collecting would be changed.Answer,No.
The Reporter asked why and the agencie guy answered;"Because that would not be in the spirit of Sustainability."
As if thats not enough some states now introduced zones where you can,t collect at all and for the other zones you pay a fee of converted 102 $ for a 1 week permit...
Denying acces is the endgoal,that way we don,t have to bother with details,case closed.

P.s. I cant legally collect more then 2 pound but i can buy a ton at the grocery store,imported with trucks from eastern europe,hows that working for sustainability?

Sorry tuberale..I hope there,s a special place for them...

 

[spaghettigold]

forgott to add,i like the enviroment/nature too,there,s shure some good enviromental laws that make sense,problems are totalitarian,senseless,anti-human watering can -laws legislating us out of nature.
Don,t know if this listing will be one them.

 

[dave wiseman]

When this spotted owl deal started in the California motherlode gold country some years back,lot's of jobs were lost.A few of the logging trucks had this bumper sticker....when you run out of toilet paper,trying wiping your butt with a spotted owl.

 

[triple d]

The spotted owl added to the endangered species list . Along with the spotted prospector.Whats next the spotted polititons. Give me a break.

 

[Capt Nemo]

They taste like chicken!

 

[Tuberale]

We in Oregon have had the NSO for about 40 years now. I haven't heard of a single instance where old-growth forest and the owl were somehow impeding gold hunting. Still haven't. I hear others say it will happen. But not one citation.

 

[triple d]

Its really not about gold prospecting. But it does affect gold prospecting if there one nest in a national forest. They will close the whole national national forest. So it does effect prospecting. And a lot of other things. Do some research and see what rights you have lost lately. There endangered birds that live in some cities are they going to close them.

 

[fowledup]

As one of those "enviro-nuts", I don't see how this is going to impact your gold hunting at all. NSO like old growth forests. How much gold hunting do you do in old growth forests?

You mean kinda like " How can a Mountain Yellow Legged Frog effect a hiking trail" type thing or you being serious?

 

[Nitric]

Don't forget the snails!!! I forget what place that was, they couldn't drain a pond....Because of some protected snail! I wish I could remember details so I could post a link....

 

[HMiller]

The spotted owl shutdown logging some 30 years ago in my area. California is slow on this one. The stores down there should keep a good supply of spotted owl helper on the shelves. Good stuff.

 

[enamel7]

They taste like chicken!

I think it's more of a cross between condor and bald eagle!

 

[fowledup]

The truth is- the environmentalists have done more to kill off whats left of the spotted owl than all the loggers and barred owls combined. I'd wager more owls have been shot in retaliation than were ever saved by shutting down the forest to "protect" their habitat. Twenty years later and they are in worse shape! Why? Not because of habitat loss, turns out they can live pretty much anywhere, doesn't have to be old growth timber afterall. No it's because their long lost cousins the barred owl (they are genetically the same breed) have come home and are either out breeding, in breeding, or running off the smaller weaker birds- it's called survival of the fittest or natural selection. Once again the question needs to be asked----- Can anyone name even one species that the ESA or an environmentalist has actually saved?

 

[Ponchosportal]

They taste like chicken!

Actually they taste like a cross between a California Condor and a Bald Eagle.

 

[Tuberale]

The finding from my state are that any clearcut over 100 yards wide allows great horned owls access to NSO. So that if clearcuts are limited to 75 yards across, NSO will survive just fine. NSO likes younger stands too. I have seen them in very young (20 year +) stands, especially where they can hunt for voles under the canopy.Still waiting for any serious citations from CA about larger clearcuts and old-growth forests limiting gold hunting of any kind.

 

[Tnmountains]

Don't forget the snails!!! I forget what place that was, they couldn't drain a pond....Because of some protected snail! I wish I could remember details so I could post a link....

Snail darter was a specie of fish here in TN that became endangered because the Gov built Dams everywhere on Tellico river. Lots of gold in the Tellico river by the way. The biggest environmental disaster in history was once again the government with its Kingston Coal Ash Spill. They never have fixed that one yet.
The spotted owls biggest problem is like someone mentioned.... the barred owl which takes over it's habitat.

 

[spaghettigold]

Actually they taste like a cross between a California Condor and a Bald Eagle.

At the last tasting a basic backround tone of special status passerines was noted

 

[spaghettigold]

The finding from my state are that any clearcut over 100 yards wide allows great horned owls access to NSO. So that if clearcuts are limited to 75 yards across, NSO will survive just fine. NSO likes younger stands too. I have seen them in very young (20 year +) stands, especially where they can hunt for voles under the canopy.Still waiting for any serious citations from CA about larger clearcuts and old-growth forests limiting gold hunting of any kind.

Well maybe this one will work out good,or maybe this one will affect no goldprospectors but others,i can,t tell.The future will show.
It,s more about if you take a map and start to mark the no-go zones and look at the development ,then add the ideological u.n.principles of segregation ,it turns out to be another piece of a BIG puzzle on the way to it,s completion.
I wonder how that map will look in 5,10,20 years and how many parts of the t-net forums will become useless because as an example,if dredging becomes illegal and according to t-net rules we can,t propagate illegal things....