The Forever Looming Shadow Of Doubt

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There is one back-breaker that will always be attached to the Beale mystery regardless how promising theorist try to dodge it or wherever they may go in attempting to escape it. It is a looming dark shadow that will always follow them and their claims of solution.

This back-breaking shadow is in regard to the issues surrounding the numbering of the ciphers and how the author can be certain that he has that numerical order correctly? By now it is an accepted issue that is well known to most who are familiar with the mystery and there can be no more escape from the circumstances that exist within this dark cloud. If the ciphers were not numbered when the pamphlet author examined them, as he claims was the true case, then how is it that he can be so certain that he has them numbered in the correct order?

You see, given that there are many ways in which information can be written, the length of a cipher presents no guarantee of its contents. One has to remember that the pamphlet author claims that prior to his decoding any of the ciphers that he laid the ciphers out according to their length and then he numbered them accordingly. Given that length provides no guarantee of a cipher's contents then how can he be so certain that he has them numbered in the correct order? And yet he is absolutely certain, isn't he.

If I were to take three random cards from a deck of playing cards and lay them face down on a table what are the odds that someone could identify the face value of all of those cards on the very first try? This is what your pamphlet author is asking his readers to believe, that without any prior insight whatsoever he was able to lay the ciphers on the surface of a table in the correct order with absolute certainty that his order is the correct order. If you believe this then you probably also own deed to beach front property in a desert.

This is the looming Beale cloud that can no longer be denied. Deal with it early or deal with it later but it will always be there casting its dark shadow of existing doubt. :thumbsup:
 

IF, you are gonna stick with the CIPHERS... What does the HART PAPERS say...? AND! Does HART = HEART... a BIG one!
 

[prior to his decoding any of the ciphers that he laid the ciphers out according to their length and then he numbered them accordingly. Given that length provides no guarantee of a cipher's contents then how can he be so certain that he has them numbered in the correct order? And yet he is absolutely certain, isn't he. ]

I don't know how certain he is/was but he wrote how he concluded his order.
Unless each paper requires a different key , then any should be a candidate for decoding regardless of order..?
That goes South(No offence Reb...) when having solved only one with the D.O.I..
Wrong key seems a worse fate than wrong order.
 

[prior to his decoding any of the ciphers that he laid the ciphers out according to their length and then he numbered them accordingly. Given that length provides no guarantee of a cipher's contents then how can he be so certain that he has them numbered in the correct order? And yet he is absolutely certain, isn't he. ]

I don't know how certain he is/was but he wrote how he concluded his order.
Unless each paper requires a different key , then any should be a candidate for decoding regardless of order..?
That goes South(No offence Reb...) when having solved only one with the D.O.I..
Wrong key seems a worse fate than wrong order.
Heh...
 

Comparison of the CIPHERS in the Beale PAPERS Pamphlet & the HART PAPERS may be of GREAT INTEREST, as the Hart Brothers utilized THEIR Ciphers DIRECT from 1st Lt. Newton Hazlewood (CSA).
 

Comparison of the CIPHERS in the Beale PAPERS Pamphlet & the HART PAPERS may be of GREAT INTEREST, as the Hart Brothers utilized THEIR Ciphers DIRECT from 1st Lt. Newton Hazlewood (CSA).

Doesn't matter. Without knowing "exactly" how each cipher was composed it still remains a crap shoot. At some point your pamphlet author claims he had three ciphers in his possession, each of the ciphers containing a different "length" of codes. At this point this is all he claims that he knew, just the length of code on each page. According to the author he was then able to lay these ciphers out according to their length and number accordingly, which he also claims "is" the correct order as intended by the original coder.

How did he know this? Obviously there's no possible way that he could know this unless he already knew exactly what was in each cipher and what that correct order was, which he claims he didn't. :laughing7:

It's a physiological card trick, the power of suggestion initiated by the pamphlet author. In reality cipher length has no relevance in determining the order of the ciphers unless he already knew that it did. If this is the case then this means that he already knew exactly how each cipher had been composed and that he already knew exactly what was in each cipher. At best he only knew that one of the ciphers gave the location and that another gave the names and residences but this still leaves a third cipher with no explanation at all so it could have contained anything = no possible way to even judge length/contents here. :laughing7: And so on and so on.....

And then we have, as revchair already pointed out, a key that simply doesn't work on any other cipher then the one the author needed it to work on. The entire narration concerning the ciphers is simply a baited hook.....:thumbsup:
 

Nicely "stated"... HOWEVER! HART PAPERS has NOTHING to do with the Beale PAPERS Pamphlet. HP Ciphers "stand" on their own... w/o the "Beale Story" contamination. In N. Hazlewood's CASE, just three pages of "FIGURES"; NO "Box", NO letters from "TJB", etc. WHEW!
 

It all begins with the Beale publication, even Hazzlewood'd copies. Not so much as a whisper or rumor of the tale/adventure until the Beale papers so it all begins there. :thumbsup:
 

It all begins with the Beale publication, even Hazzlewood'd copies. Not so much as a whisper or rumor of the tale/adventure until the Beale papers so it all begins there. :thumbsup:
It was in the "PUBLIC DOMAIN" from 1885 "on"... HOWEVER! "THE TREASURE" (Confederate Treasury-WR) may have been in "PRIVATE HANDS" since 1865... then the "Inner Circle" of "family" & friends (REBELS) had to create a STORY to "cover it", HENCE... The Beale PAPERS Pamphlet, released in 1885. MANY Papers of TRUE adventures, TREASURE stories, PEOPLE, were thrown into the "mix"... creating the BEALE PAPERS PAMPHLET. Heh...
 

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