Tag??????

[RiverRat3]

Goes to show not to think a thin piece of metal is junk. Going through this past months finds and decided to rinse this thin piece of metal off with water and was suprised to see writing. Looks like each letter had to be stamped. I'm not saying its CW related but I found it at one of my CW spots that has also produced late 18 and early 19th century coins. Looks like it says, "C.Kap, W. Liberty St. LANC" Dont know if it could also be a luggage tag or possibly dog (animal) tag. Item was found in Maryland. Any help, suggestions or age would be appreciated. Thanks and happy hunting.

 

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[creskol]

Looks like it is hand punched with modern day dies. Not sure what it would have been used for .. a basic hand-made utility type tag for something.. keys, tools, dog? etc.??

 

[RiverRat3]

Looks like it is hand punched with modern day dies. Not sure what it would have been used for .. a basic hand-made utility type tag for something.. keys, tools, dog? etc.??

Thanks. Makes perfect sense. I am still learning age of dies. Thanks for your help.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

It looks to me like the letters have serifs so it could be "old". (those little extensions on the letters) Im looking at my Dads individual hand stamps from the 1940's and they have no serifs. I would say this is older than WWI and very well could be 19th century. If you look at button backmarks you will notice that companies stopped using serifs shortly after the turn of the century..

 

[creskol]

It looks to me like the letters have serifs so it could be "old". (those little extensions on the letters) Im looking at my Dads individual hand stamps from the 1940's and they have no serifs. I would say this is older than WWI and very well could be 19th century. If you look at button backmarks you will notice that companies stopped using serifs shortly after the turn of the century..

That's a good point, but not necessarily so. Dies are still available today with serifs, but are not nearly as common. While I agree that button backmarks dumped the serif style lettering toward the turn of the century I am not convinced that serif style lettering faded out all together
at the same time, although I could be wrong.

 

[diggummup]

The P looks like an R oversatmped when I play with the photo a bit.

 

[EastKyMiner]

If there was Underground Coal Mines in the area it could be a old check in check out tag. When the miner would go underground he would hang his tag on a wood board to let them know he was in the mines.

And when he came out he would then remove his tag to another board to let them know he was not in there working. Some tags was round and I myself have used the long type. Not sure just a thought..Cool find though .

HH...Miner

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

It looks to me like the letters have serifs so it could be "old". (those little extensions on the letters) Im looking at my Dads individual hand stamps from the 1940's and they have no serifs. I would say this is older than WWI and very well could be 19th century. If you look at button backmarks you will notice that companies stopped using serifs shortly after the turn of the century..

That's a good point, but not necessarily so. Dies are still available today with serifs, but are not nearly as common. While I agree that button backmarks dumped the serif style lettering toward the turn of the century I am not convinced that serif style lettering faded out all together
at the same time, although I could be wrong.

I respect your opinions creskol, you do great work here at TN and you are usually correct. I also agree that you could probably find modern old style serif dies. But how do you know the dies were modern and what do you consider "modern."

RiverRat checked off her item solved modern. I am just not sure that RiverRat3's item was "hand punched with modern day dies." Here is a pic of my Dads initial dies from the 40's. (modern no serifs)

 

[creskol]

"I'm not saying its CW related but I found it at one of my CW spots that has also produced late 18 and early 19th century coins" was the time frame given. I personally don't think the tag is CW period, and I don't think it is contemporary. I probably should have said it is "more modern" (as it relates to the parameters outlined in blue above) rather than using the term "modern day" as that some how seems to insinuate that it is contemporary. For all practical purposes, I personally classify modern as being the time period that roughly runs from the end of the industrial revolution in America to the beginning of the "electro-techno-revolution" or contemporary times. To me, the curvature of the letters along with their thin sharp lines, as well as the serif design itself, suggests to me that these letters were inspired by the advent of the typewriter, the first of which was manufactured by Remington Arms Company in 1873. If that is the case, then I would agree, in part, with your assertion, "I would say this is older than WWI and very well could be 19th century" although I think it could just as easily date from WWI to the 1930's or 40's as you "gently" imply with your reference to the backmarks. But, I will be the first to admit that I could be as wrong on all fronts as the "Doomsday Preacher," so please don't accept my rantings as gospel!

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Anything WWI era in South Florida is considered old but In europe its modern. I guess we both agree most likely post CW era to 1930ish.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Heres a copper plate I IDed as 18th century with similar serif lettering but they are not hand stamped. Just something to think about. I dont know when hand stamping became popular. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,248411.0.html

 

[RiverRat3]

Thanks to everyone for your input and help. I am going to try to clean it up a little more and see if I can do some further research on the address. I know there is no W. Liberty St in my county. I don't know if the last two letters on the bottom row mean North Carolina or not. Again thanks for everyones help.

 

[diggummup]

Thanks to everyone for your input and help. I am going to try to clean it up a little more and see if I can do some further research on the address. I know there is no W. Liberty St in my county. I don't know if the last two letters on the bottom row mean North Carolina or not. Again thanks for everyones help.

I took the LANC to mean Lancaster Pa. , there is a West Liberty st. there. It was a tobacco district at the turn of the 20th cent. I also cross checked the name KAP with the C.W. roster for the same surname out of Lancaster to no avail-
http://www.pacivilwar.com/county/lancaster.html.
I checked Find a grave for the name, found one in Utah-
http://tinyurl.com/3dsxbbk.
I did find 4 "Kap" surnames in Lancaster in 1771, so it is possible their anscestors were/are still there 100-200years later-
http://www.ourfamilyhistories.com/hsdurbin/lancast/1771Lancast6.html

This is all of course, if C.KAP is a name to begin with. I'll wait to see it cleaned up before I research any further, make sure all the letters are correct. It very well could just be a homemade luggage tag. Unique find.

 

[RiverRat3]

Thanks to everyone for your input and help. I am going to try to clean it up a little more and see if I can do some further research on the address. I know there is no W. Liberty St in my county. I don't know if the last two letters on the bottom row mean North Carolina or not. Again thanks for everyones help.

I took the LANC to mean Lancaster Pa. , there is a West Liberty st. there. It was a tobacco district at the turn of the 20th cent. I also cross checked the name KAP with the C.W. roster for the same surname out of Lancaster to no avail-
http://www.pacivilwar.com/county/lancaster.html.
I checked Find a grave for the name, found one in Utah-
http://tinyurl.com/3dsxbbk.
I did find 4 "Kap" surnames in Lancaster in 1771, so it is possible their anscestors were/are still there 100-200years later-
http://www.ourfamilyhistories.com/hsdurbin/lancast/1771Lancast6.html

This is all of course, if C.KAP is a name to begin with. I'll wait to see it cleaned up before I research any further, make sure all the letters are correct. It very well could just be a homemade luggage tag. Unique find.

Thanks for the research. I live about 45 min to an hour from Lancaster, PA. I am going to try to clean it up over the next couple of days. I will send you a PM when I post new pictures. Any ideas on a good way to clean it?

 

[creskol]

Thanks to everyone for your input and help. I am going to try to clean it up a little more and see if I can do some further research on the address. I know there is no W. Liberty St in my county. I don't know if the last two letters on the bottom row mean North Carolina or not. Again thanks for everyones help.

I took the LANC to mean Lancaster Pa. , there is a West Liberty st. there. It was a tobacco district at the turn of the 20th cent. I also cross checked the name KAP with the C.W. roster for the same surname out of Lancaster to no avail-
http://www.pacivilwar.com/county/lancaster.html.
I checked Find a grave for the name, found one in Utah-
http://tinyurl.com/3dsxbbk.
I did find 4 "Kap" surnames in Lancaster in 1771, so it is possible their anscestors were/are still there 100-200years later-
http://www.ourfamilyhistories.com/hsdurbin/lancast/1771Lancast6.html

This is all of course, if C.KAP is a name to begin with. I'll wait to see it cleaned up before I research any further, make sure all the letters are correct. It very well could just be a homemade luggage tag. Unique find.

Thanks for the research. I live about 45 min to an hour from Lancaster, PA. I am going to try to clean it up over the next couple of days. I will send you a PM when I post new pictures. Any ideas on a good way to clean it?

Where abouts do you live in MD?

 

[RiverRat3]

Thanks to everyone for your input and help. I am going to try to clean it up a little more and see if I can do some further research on the address. I know there is no W. Liberty St in my county. I don't know if the last two letters on the bottom row mean North Carolina or not. Again thanks for everyones help.

I took the LANC to mean Lancaster Pa. , there is a West Liberty st. there. It was a tobacco district at the turn of the 20th cent. I also cross checked the name KAP with the C.W. roster for the same surname out of Lancaster to no avail-
http://www.pacivilwar.com/county/lancaster.html.
I checked Find a grave for the name, found one in Utah-
http://tinyurl.com/3dsxbbk.

Northern Frederick
I did find 4 "Kap" surnames in Lancaster in 1771, so it is possible their anscestors were/are still there 100-200years later-
http://www.ourfamilyhistories.com/hsdurbin/lancast/1771Lancast6.html

This is all of course, if C.KAP is a name to begin with. I'll wait to see it cleaned up before I research any further, make sure all the letters are correct. It very well could just be a homemade luggage tag. Unique find.

Thanks for the research. I live about 45 min to an hour from Lancaster, PA. I am going to try to clean it up over the next couple of days. I will send you a PM when I post new pictures. Any ideas on a good way to clean it?

Where abouts do you live in MD?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

RiverRat, a recently posted tag that was hand punched in the early 1900's reminded me of yours. It looks like the older serif style. I dont see any reason why yours cannot be older. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,392644.0.html

If you want to clean it try a hot peroxide bath. Use the microwave to warm up some peroxide.