✅ SOLVED stone chisel thing, new possibility!

[NJKLAGT]

Hey there everyone, it's not over!

I've got one more question, one more skeptical suggestion about this tool. This is the same stone chisel from my previous thread, "stone chisel thing". I'm just making a new thread for visibility.

Is there a possibility that this is a stone chisel for cutting/shaping stone? Possibly from when the house was being constructed? Maybe for the foundation stones?

I know a stonemason who says that this looks "identical" to the stone chisels he uses at work. I don't know if he really means "identical" or just "similar". He's gonna get back to me with a picture.

Does anyone here work with stone or know someone who does? Could this be a white man's chisel from when the house foundations were being laid around 1860? It doesn't seem too far-fetched.

PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK! I NEED TO SLEEP!

Thank you all again,


NJ

 

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[Bigdob]

I think you have a nice celt.
This would have been an early Indian piece
Very nice find
BD

 

[Tony in SC]

A white man did not make that.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

The only "stone chisels" I have heard or seen used for bricklaying and masonry were made of iron and steel.

 

[NJKLAGT]

Thanks for your continued input, everyone!

I want to say something that I hope doesn't offend anyone:

I feel like, as treasure hunters, we always have gold in our eyes. I feel like we tend to see what we want to see. Everything's odd, everything's out of place, everything's a clue.

I'm hoping that someone can tell me why this looks like a celt. Is it the shape? The stone? And what is it about the shape/stone? What confirms the belief for you? Please tell me why! I have no knowledge at all with these sorts of artifacts.

Thank you all again for your help!

 

[jewelerguy]

Thanks for your continued input, everyone!

I want to say something that I hope doesn't offend anyone:

I feel like, as treasure hunters, we always have gold in our eyes. I feel like we tend to see what we want to see. Everything's odd, everything's out of place, everything's a clue.

I'm hoping that someone can tell me why this looks like a celt. Is it the shape? The stone? And what is it about the shape/stone? What confirms the belief for you?

kinda sounds like you're having a hard time accepting that you've found an ancient man made stone tool. Why am I convinced it's what you've found? Do a google image search of 'stone celt' and scroll through the pictures and you'll see why. There's no denying that's what you have, and it's certainly most awesome. You need to go back to that place and search every inch with your eyes and see if you can find any other cool stuff

 

[Tpmetal]

Because that beveled edge is to perfect, combined with the shaping on the sides. To me that's too much for a coincidence. But I'm sure someone can give a better explanation than that.

 

[NJKLAGT]

Here's one characteristic that I haven't seen on any celts in my Googling around. This beveled edge.

 

[NJKLAGT]

I know that it's man-made. I'm just trying to discern between an ancient tool or one used when the house there was being constructed. Perhaps some stones needed a bit taken off here and there in order to fit.

Charlie P. (NY), I too have never heard of chisels that weren't made of metal! In fact, I can only find a handful of images of modern chisels that are made of stone. I'm twiddling my thumbs waiting for my friend to send that pic!

That beveled edge looks a lot like that of a modern chisel, and I haven't seen one celt that has an edge like that.

Keep the suggestions coming guys, and thanks again!

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

I don't think there was a patented "celt" pattern.

Here is a beveled version found in Porpoise Bay, Vancouver.

http://openmov.museumofvancouver.ca/node/106395

 

[sawmill man]

Just pm me your address i will send you some money for it ,you will send it to me, and we can both sleep good.

 

[Plug N Play]

This may help a little.

 

[Hot diggity]

It's an adze. I also found one in South Ontario. Guessing mid to late archaic based on other stone & copper culture found at that spot. That said there is a lot of woodland period pottery mixed in there too so I can't be positive. Regardless, yours is probably a similar age. Nice find! Congrats.

 

[Hot diggity]

... And here's a pic from the internet.

 

[Plug N Play]

If the cutting edge is a straight line, centered with the thickness of the stone ... symmetrical bevels running from the cutting edge on either face ... Celt.

If the cutting edge is definitely running lower to one face of the stone , or the edge is not a straight line, but forms an arc ... Adze

 

[NJKLAGT]

Okay, I'm convinced at this point. It's an adze or celt. Your examples here are very convincing. Thank you for putting up with my skepticism, I don't know why I find it so hard to believe when there's so much history here!

The other thing that sells the idea for me is that I've found plenty of iron axe heads and tools there, so it's not like these people couldn't afford tools and had to make their own out of stone. I think that they were probably fairly well-off based on the other things I've found there.

Thanks again folks! I'll keep you posted if I find anymore. Good luck and happy hunting!


NJ

 

[Hot diggity]

Changed my mind. Plug n play is right. The bit end on yours looks pretty straight (mine is arched). I would probably call that a celt. Cool! Good luck in future digs.

 

[tamrock]

Awesome find.

 

[NJKLAGT]

Hey guys, just wanna say thanks again. My stonemason friend who said that he used "stone chisels to cut stone" that looked "identical" to this adze/celt sent me a pic this morning of two veeery different looking steel chisels.

I'm sorry for being stubborn but I just can't believe how fortunate I got finding such a beautiful artifact - a lot of you have said that you've searched your whole lives and never found one. It just seemed so unlikely, kind of like someone finding a gold coin or something the first time they pick up a metal detector. I've only been hunting for a few years and have never even tried looking for arrowheads and stuff, so for this to fall into my lap seemed too good to be true. Let's hope my good luck doesn't run out any time soon. Maybe I'll bring you back that gold coin!

Thanks once again! My adze/celt is up on my shelf with my Onondaga chert knife/hide scraper.

 

[NJKLAGT]

Let's have a vote: adze or celt? From one side it looks like the point is centered and on the other it looks like it's slightly offset to one side. It's not perfectly symmetrical, anyway. But the point/edge is pretty much straight.