steel sword scabbard

[port ewen ace]

23 1/4" X 1 1/2" X 1". stamped M7830.
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[ARC]

Bayonet scabbard.

Perhaps a "type 30".

 

[dozer dan]

Ariska type 30 bayonet?

 

[Dave Rishar]

It's hard to tell from the photographs, but does the scabbard have a bit of an S-curve to it?

 

[Retired Sarge]

French Model 1866 Chassepot bayonet scabbard.

 

[Dave Rishar]

French Model 1866 Chassepot bayonet scabbard.

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If it has that yataghan S-curve, my guess would have been this or the M1842. Both have the correct blade length and scabbard design.

The only problem (and it may not actually be a problem - I'm not an expert on bayonets by any means) is that I haven't seen any French scabbards with a serial number where this one is located at. That doesn't mean that it wasn't added later. The issue here is that a number of other countries copied this design. Without the bayonet that originally came with it, it may be impossible to know precisely where the scabbard came from.

I suppose that it's a useful starting point for further research.

 

[Retired Sarge]

If it has that yataghan S-curve, my guess would have been this or the M1842. Both have the correct blade length and scabbard design.

The only problem (and it may not actually be a problem - I'm not an expert on bayonets by any means) is that I haven't seen any French scabbards with a serial number where this one is located at. That doesn't mean that it wasn't added later. The issue here is that a number of other countries copied this design. Without the bayonet that originally came with it, it may be impossible to know precisely where the scabbard came from.

I suppose that it's a useful starting point for further research.

Here's another French M1866 scabbard with SN in same location.

 

[Dave Rishar]

Here's another French M1866 scabbard with SN in same location.

That's one of the headaches with things like this. The manufacturing process was not always consistent.

Are we dealing with a M1866 scabbard? Maybe. Is it a M1842 scabbard? Maybe. Is one or the other a fake or a similar item made by somebody else? Maybe. Note that the 7's don't match. That doesn't mean that they weren't done at the same place by the same people at the same time, but it might. That's why I'm hesitant to say for sure what it is. The rest of it looks like a French scabbard, or a scabbard that somebody else copied from the French.

 

[Retired Sarge]

That's one of the headaches with things like this. The manufacturing process was not always consistent.

Are we dealing with a M1866 scabbard? Maybe. Is it a M1842 scabbard? Maybe. Is one or the other a fake or a similar item made by somebody else? Maybe. Note that the 7's don't match. That doesn't mean that they weren't done at the same place by the same people at the same time, but it might. That's why I'm hesitant to say for sure what it is. The rest of it looks like a French scabbard, or a scabbard that somebody else copied from the French.

True, Britain, Germany and many more countries copied the Chassepot bayonet as it was a very successful design at the time. That and French made Chassepot bayonets were used by many countries.

So maybe the best answer would be a Chassepot STYLE bayonet scabbard leaning towards the 1866 style.

 

[NOLA_Ken]

The 1842 bayonet has a heavier blade than the 1866, if you can find the thickness of the blades online that might give you an answer.