Spanish COB ID help

[Patriot Relics]

Hey guys,

Bonepicker's latest post revived my desire to get an ID on my first cob, dug earlier this year on the coast in SC. When I initially dug it I almost discarded it thinking it was aluminum trash. Truthfully I know weight is the primary means of determining denomination, however I suspect this is either a 1/2 or 1 reale. Any help with further ID is greatly appreciated.

 

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[Mackaydon]

If it weighs over 3.43 grams, it is not a 1R.
If it weighs over half that weight, it isn't a 1/2R.
Don.......

 

[Patriot Relics]

If it weighs over 3.43 grams, it is not a 1R.
If it weighs over half that weight, it isn't a 1/2R.
Don.......

Thanks Don, need to get an accurate weight but was hoping to get confirmation of the monogram. Charles II...mint?

 

[Iron Patch]

It's a 1 Real.

 

[Mackaydon]

The Charles monogram begins with a "C"; the monogram of Philip begins with a "P". I favor the Philip for your coin.

 

[Patriot Relics]

Thanks for the info gents, Phillip IV it is then-any way to determine mint with the available details?

 

[Diver_Down]

It is a 1/2 reale minted in Mexico City.

 

[Patriot Relics]

It is a 1/2 reale minted in Mexico City.

Thanks for weighing in diver, judging by the bulbs on the cross points I was leaning towards a Mexico City mint. Do you concur with the phillip iv assessment?

 

[Patriot Relics]

Stumbled across this better example online, the P, higher v and crown are a definite match. Phillip III, 1607 to 1621, mexico mint. Thanks for the help

 

[bonepicker]

Nice cob VMI. Yours looks a little bigger than the ones I found, unless you have small hands.
My guess is its a 1 reale cob. Very nice find.

I just stumbled into to Spanish Cobs section. Pretty cool stuff here.

 

[Patriot Relics]

Nice cob VMI. Yours looks a little bigger than the ones I found, unless you have small hands.
My guess is its a 1 reale cob. Very nice find.

I just stumbled into to Spanish Cobs section. Pretty cool stuff here.

Thanks bonepicker, still don't have an accurate weight, but yea mine is about the size of a nickel in diameter. I'll post a follow-up once I confirm 1 vs 1/2 reale.

 

[Mackaydon]

It's a 1/2R; the 1R had a different design; a shield versus the initials--as initials appear on your coin.
There were at least four different varieties: (1) no date (2)dated 1607; (3) dated 1614; and (4) dated 1618/17.
The date, if observable, appeared on the obverse where the legend would read: 'DEI G' followed by the date.
The undated coin legend would read, in part, DEI GRATIA.
PS: If it were a Felipe II 1/2 real, the 'V' would appear at the bottom half of the "P"; between the "P" and the "S" versus above the "P" as noted in post #9.
Don.......

 

[Diver_Down]

Like I said earlier along with your own online research and Don's followup, it IS a half reale minted in Mexico City during the reign of Phillip III.

 

[Patriot Relics]

Thanks again for the identification and follow up information Don and Diver